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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Sensus Fidelium Banned From Youtube
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2021, 04:05:09 PM »
Not entirely so Spork. The indult perspective is polluted with the idea that "The new rite of Mass is just as efficacious as the old rite of Mass" as Fr. Ripperger puts it, which is to say that that idea is ever present albeit underlying in the indult perspective, poster XavierSem is a good example of this perspective imo.

Stubborn, 

I don't believe XavierSem would hold to that "just as efficacious." And, as the recipient can determine in part "how much grace is imparted," I guess sources can impart grace while imparting more or less grace than another source - hence, not "just as efficacious."  


Re: Sensus Fidelium Banned From Youtube
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2021, 05:16:52 PM »
Stubborn,

I don't believe XavierSem would hold to that "just as efficacious." And, as the recipient can determine in part "how much grace is imparted," I guess sources can impart grace while imparting more or less grace than another source - hence, not "just as efficacious." 

This is something I'd actually like clarification from him on. I've seen him say the NOM has defects but that it is valid, which seems to imply what Stubborn is saying. Why would he say in multiple threads it's fine to fulfill your Sunday obligation in something inferior? Is there a "preferred way" through official channels in the VII church and a "lesser way"? If this is the case he is undermining himself.


Re: Sensus Fidelium Banned From Youtube
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2021, 12:05:17 AM »
But yet this video of hate against Christians and our Lord is allowed by YouTube.  Where is the outrage by Christians?

(got complaints about video -- moderator removed link)

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Sensus Fidelium Banned From Youtube
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2021, 06:30:08 AM »
Stubborn,

I don't believe XavierSem would hold to that "just as efficacious." And, as the recipient can determine in part "how much grace is imparted," I guess sources can impart grace while imparting more or less grace than another source - hence, not "just as efficacious." 

Well, Fr. Ripperger states this in the Introduction of his book "The Merit of a Mass": "The new rite of Mass is just as efficacious as the old rite of Mass in this respect since they are both the same sacrifice of Christ."

After quoting some theologian about a week ago, XavierSem said: "Therefore, the New Mass cannot be intrinsically evil in the way that a Black Mass is, because the Church cannot poison Her children".

The thinking here is that the new "mass" is not evil because coming from the Church, it can't be evil. Whether he thinks it "just as efficacious" or not I cannot say, but either way, his thinking exemplifies that one does not necessarily need to believe as Fr. Ripperger that "it's just as efficacious," that apparently all one needs to do is accept is that the evil thing came from the Church, which means rather than being evil it is acceptable, and since it's acceptable it gives graces same as the true Mass. Which in turn, this thinking leads to other liberal ideas that come across in the writings and sermons etc. of indulters. Matto correctly called this "the indult perspective."

 


Re: Sensus Fidelium Banned From Youtube
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2021, 09:54:06 AM »
Oh, shut up, twit. Seriously. That is not true and you know.

your idea of Catholicism doesn't deliver and has left me less than impressed. Get over yourself and this stupid attitude.You want a mRNA vaccine with that SSPX to go? Or are you now a the ultra strict über walking on water resistance? One of the various sede groups that don't even recognise each other's validity? Tell me, what's your flavour of Church?
Fauci didn't warn me about the Indult Variant, might have to report this sickness to the CDC instead of Matthew.