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Title: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 03, 2025, 10:23:59 PM
I am working on a "Catholic AI" project these days.

For an introduction to AI from a Catholic standpoint:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qRzsQpxXzcFe

I will be needing as many books (PDFs, ebooks, etc.) as possible, to load into a special database that the AI will be aware of, to better inform its answers.
For the nerds out there, I will be creating an agentic RAG setup.

Just running a local LLM (AI model) is not enough; you need to provide specific data for your use case -- in our case, it will be Traditional Catholic (pre-Vatican 2) material -- Catholic doctrine, saints, history, Liturgy, Canon Law, theology, philosophy, etc.

I will be creating a webpage so people can easily upload such files from their computer, laptop, or phone. But for now, start collecting your stuff. If you want, you can e-mail it to

matthew@cathinfo.com

But obviously there is an attachment size limit for most e-mail systems. Probably around 10 or 12 MB or so.
That is why I'm coming up with an uploading program -- it's part of the overall project -- so I can accept multi-gigabyte zip files.

I am also accepting WEBPAGES, torrents, or other archives where I can easily download such content.
I have a program to download "all PDFs on this webpage" with 1 click. So if I just have the webpage URL, getting the books off it is easy.

So far I have local models successfully running on my personal (rather decent) tower/workstation PC.
I will use these local models to do my software development work, since I don't have a subscription to any of the AI models (including Cursor, the famous software development IDE with AI features built-in. That costs $20/month). And no, I'm not seeking such a subscription either. For those wishing to contribute to this project, I am using my Amazon wishlist (see link in my signature below). The main requirement for a project like this is video card(s). Since most people don't have $300 to donate, I can only suggest the Amazon gift cards (which can be any amount), so I can combine them to make such a $300 purchase.

I have done a lot of research already, to make sure this project is feasible. I can expose my locally-running "Catholic AI" to the Internet at large. I will certainly require a CathInfo login to access it. I can have multiple video cards, and share requests between them using various software. I know what is possible with AI and other software in general, so I have lots of plans (too much to go into detail here).

I plan to do something on this project every single day. There are a lot of aspects (or sub-projects) to it. But the whole thing is interesting to me, much more so than apps or other software, which are almost impossible to promote without a marketing budget. AI is all the rage right now, so experience with AI and associated technologies looks great on one's resume. Especially if you're pushing 50.

And I truly believe that AI, as it exists today, is truly useful and powerful. But we need one geared towards Traditional Catholics. And privacy is another issue with all these commercial big-name models like ChatGPT. Having one's personal thoughts, docuмents, and information sent to Google/OpenAI/Elon Musk/China, and/or sold to the highest bidder, is not a great thing. 

I plan to see just how far I can take this.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Godefroy on September 04, 2025, 03:24:16 AM
This project is a great idea. Would you accept pdfs in French? 
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Mat183 on September 04, 2025, 08:50:03 AM
St. Isidore e-book library: https://isidore.co  ?
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: justG on September 04, 2025, 12:49:24 PM
Great idea!  Would this site be helpful?  https://www.traditionalcatholic.co/free-catholicbooks/
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Maverick on September 04, 2025, 12:57:17 PM
Quote from: justG on September 04, 2025, 12:49:24 PM
Great idea!  Would this site be helpful?  https://www.traditionalcatholic.co/free-catholicbooks/

Internet Archive has many as well!
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 04, 2025, 12:58:30 PM
Thank you for the suggestions!

I think the model(s) I use are mostly English, so I don't know how well they'd even work with French.
For now, I'm going to focus on the English speaking market.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Caminus on September 05, 2025, 01:36:42 AM
Thecatholicarchive.com
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Stubborn on September 05, 2025, 04:49:54 AM
Quote from: Matthew on September 03, 2025, 10:23:59 PM
I will be creating a webpage so people can easily upload such files from their computer, laptop, or phone. But for now, start collecting your stuff. If you want, you can e-mail it to
Let us know when you create this web page Matthew, emailing large files I think would take too many emails.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: St Giles on September 07, 2025, 08:12:01 PM
When you say HDD's dies completely when they die, aren't SDD's more so? At least with a HDD you have a disk that may still contain information, but at some point the SDD chips stop working, though maybe you could take it apart and salvage the info off of the working chips.

Do you run a combination of both? High speed HDD's as an archive for the even faster, but cycle limited SDD's?
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: St Giles on September 07, 2025, 09:26:00 PM
Why Blue Ray for archiving, why not SD cards, which are smaller and hold more?

As far as what AI is capable of, use your imagination and think how far can pattern recognition go especially with guided education. It may not be able to read into things just being trained on 2D images, but if you could teach it 3D patterns, and what almost certainly lies below the surface, and what is essential to specific things, I don't see why it couldn't match a human's abilities in many ways. Then add in reasoning programming, and it should be able to become quite advanced in it's ability to think with the benefit of not making human mistakes and (hopefully) being able to know exactly why it came to the conclusions it came to.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 14, 2025, 10:12:41 PM
Ok, I finally got the uploader done!

https://www.cathinfo.com/upload/

You can upload very large files, up to 4 GB. This will accommodate things like ZIP files with all your ebooks, PDFs, etc.

You can upload many files at once. Each file has a "progress bar" so you can see the uploading progress.
You can also click the red "X" if you need to remove some of the files, before you click "Upload".

Thank you!
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 14, 2025, 11:51:18 PM
Quote from: Mat183 on September 04, 2025, 08:50:03 AM
St. Isidore e-book library: https://isidore.co  ?
The website makes it impossible to easily download all the books. I can't click on each book and then "download". That would take forever. Also, to get all the books to "appear" you have to lazy load each section (keep clicking "More books")

In short, I wish it was more old fashioned, a page of simple links, so I could use DownThemAll to just pull them down in one fell swoop.

Maybe the owner of isidore.co could just upload a zip file of all of them, using the link I just posted?

https://www.cathinfo.com/upload/
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 15, 2025, 11:34:42 AM
Ok I got the books from all 3 of those links. If anyone has any favorite e-books, PDFs of pre-Vatican II Catholic books, please send them on, using this convenient uploader:

https://www.cathinfo.com/upload/
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Mat183 on September 15, 2025, 01:12:39 PM
Quote from: Matthew on September 14, 2025, 11:51:18 PM
The website makes it impossible to easily download all the books. I can't click on each book and then "download". That would take forever. Also, to get all the books to "appear" you have to lazy load each section (keep clicking "More books")

In short, I wish it was more old fashioned, a page of simple links, so I could use DownThemAll to just pull them down in one fell swoop.

Maybe the owner of isidore.co could just upload a zip file of all of them, using the link I just posted?

https://www.cathinfo.com/upload/

You may wish to message Hero Member Geremia who is the apparent owner (or at least host) of the site as evidenced by the fact that he has the site as part of his signature on CathInfo.  Also, there is the evidence as seen further below and seen at the following link: https://isidore.co/forum/index.php?topic=1.0

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Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 15, 2025, 01:31:42 PM
I got the St. Isidore book collection. Someone PMed me a link to the forum, telling how to download all the books at once. Thanks for the help.

EDIT: Actually, it would be more accurate to say "am successfully getting" the book collection. I got 73 GB of them, but it's still downloading.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 16, 2025, 07:57:00 AM
Ok, an update --

The St. Isidore archive is 223 GB. I have a couple questions though --

1. Are these all CATHOLIC books? Or is this just "all books" like Z-library, etc.
2. If so, this must be about ALL of them, right? hahaha
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Twice dyed on September 16, 2025, 08:56:24 AM
https://isidore.co/misc/Res%20pro%20Deo/
This "Res Pro Deo " section is about the Catholic religion  as far as I can see. There is reading for many lifetimes.
The main root directory is 10 % religious I guess.
Title: Isidore Library, Religious Books, Res Pro Deo Directory Screen shots
Post by: Twice dyed on September 16, 2025, 09:30:23 AM
Four Screen shots of Catholic Topics from Isidore.com

The "Parent Directory" is the critical link to clic so you can navigate back and forth. ..Physics, Audio books section looks all Catholic .
I don't understand the Calibre Section so much.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Twice dyed on September 16, 2025, 09:39:12 AM
Res Pro Deo Section, Audio Books. Evidently Catholic.

Plus a screen shot of Misc.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 16, 2025, 02:44:34 PM
You know, I'm thinking a huge 223 GB library of general books isn't what I was after. Is there any way to mass download all the *Catholic* literature?
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Giovanni Berto on September 16, 2025, 04:32:13 PM
For what it's worth, I think that Geremia does a wonderful job making all these books avaliable, but not all of them are pre-conciliar, so, they might not be really all "Catholic books".
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Mat183 on September 16, 2025, 06:05:27 PM
Quote from: Giovanni Berto on September 16, 2025, 04:32:13 PM
For what it's worth, I think that Geremia does a wonderful job making all these books avaliable, but not all of them are pre-conciliar, so, they might not be really all "Catholic books".

As a word of caution to Matthew and others, I would seriously look into the infringement of copyright issue if you have not already.   You might want to run something like the following through one or more AI platforms of your choosing: "Does the website https://isidore.co illegally and or unethically infringe on copyrights?" 
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: BaldwinIV on September 18, 2025, 11:51:36 AM
@Matthew do you know about https://www.tradivox.com/ it seems someone already did your "Catholic AI" project
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: SoldierofCtK on September 18, 2025, 12:48:42 PM
Quote from: BaldwinIV on September 18, 2025, 11:51:36 AM
@Matthew do you know about https://www.tradivox.com/ it seems someone already did your "Catholic AI" project
The website is really well done, but it took only one question to expose it as an Indult/Conservative N.O. leaning AI model, not quite traditional. Also, the particular "endorsements" aren't something to be proud of.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 18, 2025, 02:02:58 PM
Quote from: BaldwinIV on September 18, 2025, 11:51:36 AM
@Matthew do you know about https://www.tradivox.com/ it seems someone already did your "Catholic AI" project

I'm sure there's room in the world for 2 of them. And as SoldierOfCTK said, there is room for improvement.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Kazimierz on September 19, 2025, 02:25:39 PM
Anyone know if there be an electronic version of H-ugh A-kins book The Syn-agogue of Sa-tan? Much obliged!

Thank you for the isidore.co site Germania. Finding several gems I have been looking for in my literary quests. :pray::pray::pray:
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 19, 2025, 02:31:56 PM
I just tested a question that already worked *perfectly* in the Catholic AI I'm developing. Tradivox totally failed it.
The question was:
when did st. therese receive a miracle that helped her vocation?

And it needed a certain PDF to be loaded into a vector database (RAG) to correctly answer. Just the naked AI model alone gave the wrong answer.

I have the lookup working awesome right now -- I'm currently working on (stuck, as it were) on wiring up the nice "front end" website to use my RAG program as a middle-man, before it hands it off to a local AI I'm running on physical on-site hardware.

I can't wait till I get that part figured out. It's going to be so exciting!
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Mat183 on September 19, 2025, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: Kazimierz on September 19, 2025, 02:25:39 PM
Anyone know if there be an electronic version of H-ugh A-kins book The Syn-agogue of Sa-tan? Much obliged!



Hugh's book was ѕуηαgσgυє Rising.  See ѕуηαgσgυє Rising by Hugh Akins | Open Library (https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25422537M/ѕуηαgσgυє_Rising)

Andrew Carrington authored the book The ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and an Internet search shows various places to get a PDF.

Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Galilean on September 19, 2025, 06:41:22 PM
It is my opinion that AI and Catholic are a dangerous combination. 

Visit Substack.com .  Search "Catholic AI."  There are numerous sites.  I spent 30 minutes looking into this.

One of the "Catholic AI's" is Jєωιѕн.  I'm sure of it.  They've twisting our teachings!

Also, I've turned off " AI Learning " settings in Privacy.

Please rethink your association with AI.  It's trouble.  You'll be used.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 19, 2025, 06:52:50 PM
Quote from: Galilean on September 19, 2025, 06:41:22 PM
It is my opinion that AI and Catholic are a dangerous combination. 

Visit Substack.com .  Search "Catholic AI."  There are numerous sites.  I spent 30 minutes looking into this.

One of the "Catholic AI's" is Jєωιѕн.  I'm sure of it.  They've twisting our teachings!

Also, I've turned off " AI Learning " settings in Privacy.

Please rethink your association with AI.  It's trouble.  You'll be used.

Used by what? My tools? Are power tools from the devil as well?
You do realize I have full control over all of it? No information, text, etc. even leaves my server to any questionable business or organization.
Nor will any of them receive a cent from me. The software and AI models I am starting with are free.
How can I be "used"? And what am I going to be used "for"?

I bet you don't know much about (what everyone calls) "AI" or how it works.  It's a cross between software, linear algebra, and a database of numbers.

You have touched on a good point however. We don't want to let some wishy-washy, questionable, pseudo "Trad" to step in and make the Catholic generative AI website (like ChatGPT). They could feed in pro-Conciliar data, pro-error, etc.
Imagine their answer for "What is sedevacantism?" or "Who is Archbishop Lefebvre?"
And it could be worse than a Novus Ordo Catholic -- they could be a plant, controlled opposition, a Jew, etc. and we can't have that. Which is why I'm doing this project.

I, on the other hand, am a solid Trad Catholic that -- frankly -- you can trust. I mean, objectively speaking. Regardless of how much you like me, or agree/disagree with me. With me, at least you know what you're getting. I'm a known quantity. I have written thousands of posts on CathInfo you can go back and read; I've posted a lot of personal details here and there. I've run CathInfo for 19 years.

When I populate the database that helps AI to do its job, I'm going to choose CATHOLIC works of solid reputation.
I have been Trad since birth and am not controlled by anyone. I have the infrastructure and skills to do this project.

I plan to "pass the hat" to buy any needed equipment to scale up the new service/website, once I have a public, functional, "beta" of sorts.
Just like with the CathInfo server, I want to "own everything" -- no rentals, no subscriptions, no services, no monthly fees. I'd rather buy something for $1000 than commit to paying $10/month forever.

Any software, scripts, config files, data, notes, books, PDFs, etc. will be owned and kept on physical media as well. It's the only way to go.

This is going to be a completely "off grid" AI system, as it were. Of course it uses electricity and depends on the Internet for people to access it, that's not what I mean by off grid. I mean it's totally private, uncensored, and fully under my control/supervision.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Galilean on September 19, 2025, 07:24:24 PM
Your reaction is interesting because you've taken my advice as a personal attack on you. You're offended and think I'm showing that I'm smarter than you, perhaps? Think of me as a friend looking out for our coveted books on Catholic history, theology, etc.  I'm a bookworm and was about to make recommendations for you.  But not in connection with the AI Beast.  

AI HIJACKS "CATHOLIC" LIKE IT'S A BRAND NAME EXAMPLES

https://catholicaistl.substack.com/ (https://catholicaistl.substack.com/)


https://blog.catholicai.app/ (https://blog.catholicai.app/)


https://www.catholic.com/ai (https://www.catholic.com/ai)
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Matthew on September 19, 2025, 07:57:34 PM
I hate to say it, but "no". Your guess/intuition/etc. was completely off; totally wrong. I'm not "offended" or emotional in any way. I'm male, and engaging in a rational discussion. Please quote the part of my post that even SUGGESTS otherwise.
We can disagree without having a permanent "beef", bad blood, or any emotions at all involved.
I'm attempting to teach both you and anyone who wants to read this discussion about the true nature of generative AI in 2025, as it exists today.

I speak about that which I know. I have actually studied it; I'm a software developer.

As for this group (or groups) -- they can call themselves "Catholic" all they want. The fact of the matter is, their possession of the Catholic Faith is debatable at best, and in the end, they have nothing to do with various Trad Catholics endeavoring to use the (very real, very useful) software that is collectively called "AI" for good purposes.

Do you understand my point?

You could post 300 errors and heresies by that group. It wouldn't mean *anything* to me, Traditional Catholics, or "AI". It's just the words of a single man/organization. A person or organization can say any number of insane things. Who cares?

Are you saying that if enough nonsense is uttered, it permanently damages the subject matter, and/or the group they claim to be a member of? That's not logical at all.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Stubborn on September 20, 2025, 05:27:00 AM
Quote from: Matthew on September 19, 2025, 02:31:56 PM
I just tested a question that already worked *perfectly* in the Catholic AI I'm developing. Tradivox totally failed it.
The question was:
when did st. therese receive a miracle that helped her vocation?

And it needed a certain PDF to be loaded into a vector database (RAG) to correctly answer. Just the naked AI model alone gave the wrong answer.

I have the lookup working awesome right now -- I'm currently working on (stuck, as it were) on wiring up the nice "front end" website to use my RAG program as a middle-man, before it hands it off to a local AI I'm running on physical on-site hardware.

I can't wait till I get that part figured out. It's going to be so exciting!
Any idea as to when we will be able to check it out Matthew? I'm totally looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Geremia on September 22, 2025, 07:05:09 PM
Quote from: Matthew on September 16, 2025, 07:57:00 AM
The St. Isidore archive is 223 GB.
If you want to train a chatbot, perhaps you could use the full-text-search.db (https://isidore.co/CalibreLibrary/full-text-search.db) (15GB) database somehow.
Title: Re: Seeking Catholic PDFs, e-books, literature
Post by: Geremia on September 22, 2025, 07:07:52 PM
Quote from: Matthew on September 16, 2025, 07:57:00 AM
Are these all CATHOLIC books?
Many of them are, and many of them are science books, too. There are some entries of Modernists' books (e.g., Ratzinger's Intro to [Modernist] Christianity), but they don't have formats. There are a few that are anti-Catholic that have formats (e.g., Cornell University founder White's History of the Warfare of Science with Theology in Christendom).
But the orthodox Catholic signal should dominate the non-Catholic noise if you train a chatbot with these data.