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Offline Incredulous

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Re: Poche is banned
« Reply #150 on: October 16, 2020, 03:17:08 PM »
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  • I have started to like Meg.
    In the past we used to fight, but I think she’s matured in the last 18 months.

    I’ve thought of her positions as an +ABL ultra-loyalist, and maybe a sede-phobe.  But that’s okay.

    Her indifference to Poche I viewed as a female sympathy thing...

    Like when you come in the house to tell the wife you’re gonna shoot the dog cause he killed all the chickens.

    Her first response is to feel sorry for the dog and ask you to spare the “poor Puppy’s” life.

    But I’m glad Matthew shot Poche.
    His theology was malignant and he had to go.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #151 on: October 16, 2020, 03:21:37 PM »
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  • It seems to me that Matto has become more anti-sede in recent months, so the posts were totally believable.
    I became "anti-sede" after I tried to listen to the first Novus Ordo Watch "TRADCAST" and right at the beginning the host declared that only sedes were traditional Catholics. That was the moment. But I am not really anti-sede. My two best friends are sedes and I respect them and consider them Catholics and don't argue with them. But I disagree with the position and think it is mistaken and think some of the more extreme ones are schismatic. Sometimes when thinking about the sad state of the Church I make fun of sedes, but they are not the only people I make fun of.
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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #152 on: October 16, 2020, 03:35:05 PM »
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  • I did ask poche several times to let us know where he's coming from and why he posts on the forum given that he disagrees with every other member here. He refused to answer.

    He did not refuse to answer. Rather, he simply didn't answer. As an exercise in self-control, Ladislaus, try writing fifty tendentiousness-free words every day.


    That to me suggests that he was just a malicious troll.

    It might suggest to someone less egocentric that poche simply thought it was none of your business, especially as your status at this site is no more official than his was.

    Poche is gone, and very few people hereabouts regret his dismissal (I don't). But showering ceaseless insults on a guy who is in no position to respond is anything but admirable. What's next for you, Ladislaus? How long will it be till you start telling us all what you've been eating for dinner, whether it's Friday or not? And will those comments be as overbearing as your other comments are?

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #153 on: October 16, 2020, 03:42:52 PM »
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  • I have started to like Meg. … I’ve thought of her positions as an +ABL ultra-loyalist, and maybe a sede-phobe. But that’s okay.

    There's a lot of good-heartedness in this comment. Thumbs way up.

    The one thing that sounds a bit discordant to me concerns loyalty to Archbishop Lefebvre. I don't see how that can be taken too far.

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #154 on: October 16, 2020, 04:55:28 PM »
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  • He did not refuse to answer. Rather, he simply didn't answer. As an exercise in self-control, Ladislaus, try writing fifty tendentiousness-free words every day.

    It might suggest to someone less egocentric that poche simply thought it was none of your business, especially as your status at this site is no more official than his was.

    Poche is gone, and very few people hereabouts regret his dismissal (I don't). But showering ceaseless insults on a guy who is in no position to respond is anything but admirable. What's next for you, Ladislaus? How long will it be till you start telling us all what you've been eating for dinner, whether it's Friday or not? And will those comments be as overbearing as your other comments are?

    Still posterior-hurting over my calling you out for your vulgar insults, I see.

    I think that they need to put your picture next to the dictionary entry for "hypocrite", attacking me for "insults" after your vulgar puerile insults on this very thread.  BTW, calling poche a malicious troll was not an insult, but speculation regarding his motive for being on his forum.  That term "trolling" refers to a type of behavior and malicious refers to a motivation other than just for personal amusement ... i.e. to create problems for Traditional Catholics.  And the comment was in the context of speculation that this "Spork" character might be an alternate account for poche himself, and not the proverbial beating of a dead horse who is "gone".

    In having asked him to explain his motivations, it was to give him an opportunity to rule out that he was nothing but a troll, since his behavior strongly suggested that he was trolling.


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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #155 on: October 16, 2020, 07:01:55 PM »
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  • Even if Poche was 100% Traditional, he had a pattern of asking/posting sentimental, emotional, subversive, anti-orthodox posts.  When challenged or asked to clarify, he’d go dark. He did this for years.    
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    This is not truthful behavior and it warranted his ousting.  

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #156 on: October 16, 2020, 07:26:08 PM »
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  • If R&R or Novusordoism is true they are obviously outside the Church, [...] Don't risk your salvation to a crackpot position of one theologian and then adopted by a small minority of Thuc Bishops.
    Wrong analysis, my friend. The Novus Ordo, which R&R officially recognizes as the "Catholic Church", at the very least, tacitly holds that even Buddhists, Muslims and Jews are somehow inside the Church and can have salvation, if they're of good will. So sedeprivationists certainly can't be outside the Church and damned, if those who reject the true Christ (proclaimed by the Athanasian Creed) can be saved.

    In other words, it's a safer bet to be any sede that doesn't breach the threshold of schism, than to be novus ordo. If the sede is wrong and the novus ordo is right, then the sede is still saved as are all other religions. But if the sede is correct, and the novus ordo is wrong, how many novus ordo will be damned? Our Lord tells us narrow is the way to the Father, and few are making it through...

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #157 on: October 16, 2020, 07:29:34 PM »
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  • Matto,

    Also, you do realize, don't you?, that one can be formally united to the Church while being materially separated, just as those Catholics were who happened to side with the wrong pope during the so-called Western Schism.
    This is incorrect as there was no wrong side in GWS. Catholics are allowed to recognise either FR or It faction as true Il Papa. :cowboy:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'


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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #158 on: October 16, 2020, 07:54:28 PM »
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  • If R&R or Novusordoism is true they are obviously outside the Church, [...] Don't risk your salvation to a crackpot position of one theologian and then adopted by a small minority of Thuc Bishops.

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    St Frumentius quote:

    Wrong analysis, my friend. The Novus Ordo, which R&R officially recognizes as the "Catholic Church", at the very least, tacitly holds that even Buddhists, Muslims and Jews are somehow inside the Church and can have salvation, if they're of good will. So sedeprivationists certainly can't be outside the Church and damned, if those who reject the true Christ (proclaimed by the Athanasian Creed) can be saved.

    In other words, it's a safer bet to be any sede that doesn't breach the threshold of schism, than to be novus ordo. If the sede is wrong and the novus ordo is right, then the sede is still saved as are all other religions. But if the sede is correct, and the novus ordo is wrong, how many novus ordo will be damned? Our Lord tells us narrow is the way to the Father, and few are making it through...

    I now see that you were being sarcastic. Please disregard. But my response is still for any lurkers who hold that view.

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #159 on: October 19, 2020, 08:55:52 PM »
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  • Wrong analysis, my friend. The Novus Ordo, which R&R officially recognizes as the "Catholic Church", at the very least, tacitly holds that even Buddhists, Muslims and Jews are somehow inside the Church and can have salvation, if they're of good will. So sedeprivationists certainly can't be outside the Church and damned, if those who reject the true Christ (proclaimed by the Athanasian Creed) can be saved.

    In other words, it's a safer bet to be any sede that doesn't breach the threshold of schism, than to be novus ordo. If the sede is wrong and the novus ordo is right, then the sede is still saved as are all other religions. But if the sede is correct, and the novus ordo is wrong, how many novus ordo will be damned? Our Lord tells us narrow is the way to the Father, and few are making it through...
    Honestly, even most sede clergy believe that non Christians can be saved under some conditions, for better or worse. 

    All that said, I agree that the sometimes occurring sede-phobia among NOs is strange.

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #160 on: October 19, 2020, 09:45:34 PM »
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  • What happened to the “Burning at the Stake” emoji ?

    Like excommunication, Cathinfo should have a solemn ritual for member banning.
    I miss that little man who rolls around on his back killing himself with laughter. 


     

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