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Posting this from my Raspberry Pi
« on: January 03, 2014, 06:59:51 PM »
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  • Pretty neat little machine!

    Very capable for something so cheap. $52 for the fully functional computer plus a power adapter and case. You can do without a case technically (but it might get damaged). You can always make your own case out of wood, plastic, cardboard, etc. And if you have a 5V phone charger that can put out 1 amp, you can pass on the charger. It's just a standard USB charger.

    For a "hard drive" you use any SDcard, 4 GB or higher. A super fast 16 GB one sells for about $13. I have one of those on the way. I am using my old, slower 8GB one for now. A lot of people own these for their digital cameras, smartphones, and tablets.

    The software is free. Just copy some files you download from raspberry pi's website onto the SDcard. No special program is necessary to do this. The software you put on the SDcard is called NOOBS.

    Insert the SDcard in your machine, plug in the raspberry pi (there's no power button), and watch it boot up! Click a few buttons, and BAM! you have a working PC.

    I can't believe how easy it was. I wasn't asked any difficult or technical questions. They let you pick whatever OS you want, but Raspbian is recommended. It's a special version of Linux tailored for the Raspberry Pi. It's based on Debian, one of the more popular Linux distributions.

    This thing can do HD 1080p video playback. It has quite a powerful video card built-in. 512 MB RAM. And it only consumes 5W of power!  It has built-in Ethernet networking, and you can connect a wireless USB adapter if you want to use WIFI. The device has 2 USB ports, which can be expanded with a hub.

    It has HDMI output, but you can use a HDMI-to-DVI adapter so you can use it with most monitors. It also has a yellow RCA output jack, so you can output to any TV! Most monitors today have DVI plugs, and some newer ones have HDMI plugs. I already owned a HDMI-to-DVI adapter, but normally that would cost you an additional $4.40.

    It also has built-in sound.

    For me, the Internet "just worked" right out of the box. I mean, we're taking MAC easy here. What a great device for $65 total. I'd recommend it for any geek. It makes a great Internet browsing machine. You could run this thing off a 12V battery with a small solar panel. The only problem would be powering the monitor...

    Here are some convenient links, if you're a geek (or you have a geek in your life -- I know, I posted this a bit late for Christmas! hahaha  Oh well, there's always Valentines Day.)

    All of these items are not necessary -- it depends on what stuff you have already. If you have a USB hub you don't need to buy one, for example. And with 2 USB ports you technically don't *need* a USB hub anyhow. One for keyboard, one for mouse. If you already have an SDcard from an old phone or digital camera, you can borrow that one. Etc.

    I put in bold the stuff most people would need.


    Basic kit with Model B Raspberry Pi, clear case, and power adapter for $52.95:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DG9D6IK/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00DG9D6IK&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    4 GB class 4 (slower) SDcard for $5.95:
    (4 GB is the minimum size recommended. It's actually quite a bit of space, unless you want to put more than 5 full length movies on it.)
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007JRB0RY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007JRB0RY&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    8 GB card for $9.75:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M51J42/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007M51J42&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    RECOMMENDED - 16 GB card for $12.68:
    (Most bang for the buck. You can always use it in your camera, etc.)
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M51J42/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007M51J42&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    SDcard writer/reader for $9.99:
    (do you already have an SDcard reader/writer? If you can write things to an SDcard today -- by connecting your phone to your PC, for example -- you're all set)
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FSDKBYY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00FSDKBYY&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    4-port USB Hub (to give you extra USB ports) for $6.99:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BWF5U0M/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00BWF5U0M&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    Wireless Ethernet adapter (WIFI USB dongle) for $9.99:
    Only if you want WIFI *and* you don't already own one.
    (Apparently this model works well with the Raspberry Pi, though most others should work too. Linux has good driver support these days.)
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003MTTJOY/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003MTTJOY&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    HDMI to DVI adapter -- here's the one you'll need for your existing DVI monitor for $4.40:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006Z8N60C/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B006Z8N60C&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20



    These are for those who really want to splurge. They are QUITE optional. I didn't buy any of these.

    Mini wireless keyboard with mouse trackpad for $20.99:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UE52ME/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B003UE52ME&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    3.5" flatscreen color LCD monitor (for car use, etc.) for $17.55:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0045IIZKU/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B0045IIZKU&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    7" color LCD monitor that swivels around for $29.90:
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007SLDF7O/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007SLDF7O&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

    32 GB class 10 (faster) SDcard for $21.95:
    (Remember, these can be used in tablets, smartphones, and cameras as well. 32 GB is a TON of storage for a device like the Pi. For one's entire movie collection?)
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007M51J3I/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007M51J3I&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20
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    Posting this from my Raspberry Pi
    « Reply #1 on: January 03, 2014, 08:15:21 PM »
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  • Here is what one man does with his Pi -- he uses hotel room TVs as monitors, and programs instead of watching TV :)


    "It’s a long time since I’ve used a hotel room TV without plugging a Pi into it. This trip has been no exception."

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/4920
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    « Reply #2 on: January 04, 2014, 08:14:57 AM »
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  • Hmm. So, this seems interesting. I think the price point is the 'cool' factor- what can I say, I'm a sucker for a deal. Besides the low cost and relative ease of use, what's the real 'selling point' for something like this?

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    « Reply #3 on: January 04, 2014, 12:42:02 PM »
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  • First, I'd like to point out that there must be some selling point, objectively speaking, when 2 million of something are sold. That is how many sold before November 1, 2013.

    http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5265

    To answer your question --

    They are primarily aimed at the education market, to spark a new generation of programmers.

    Moreover, there's certainly a "wow" factor in the device's small size vs. what it can do.  Did you know that the Raspberry Pi has the graphics capability of the original Xbox?

    But there's more to it -- there's a "standard hardware", "join the party", or "community" factor that makes this device very attractive. You can google "Raspberry pi" and know that everyone is talking about *your* device. There is no variation among them -- they're all standard. So if something runs on Raspberry Pi, you know you can run it.

    That benefit is normally associated with game consoles, or things like the iPad.

    Lastly, for engineers and tinkerers, you can do all sorts of things with a relatively powerful computer this small. Weather stations, remote webcams, security/monitoring, automatic coffee makers, balloons to the edge of space to take pictures, robotics, etc.

    A lot of non-engineer, non-programmer adults buy these to be a cheap Media Center. There's an operating system specially designed for this. I tested mine out yesterday, and it does do a perfect job playing back movies at full resolution. It uses hardware to decode the video, rather than software (that's the "secret").

    It's just neat that wherever you have a TV, you can have a complete computer if you just bring a keyboard, mouse, and this wallet sized device that weighs a couple ounces and has no moving parts. It doesn't get hot either. And since it has no fans, etc. it doesn't make the slightest noise.

    I guess it has all the benefits of a tablet, only you can use any monitor or TV, as well as a regular keyboard and mouse. So you can do "real work" unlike a tablet, which is mostly for consumption. Also, tablets are usually more expensive than $65. (Don't get me wrong; this isn't going to replace a tablet. Tablets have their place. But the Pi has plenty of advantages.)

    Another advantage over a tablet -- this thing does regular PC multitasking. You can have several windows open at once, just like a regular PC/Mac. Tablets (both Android and iOS) always "unload" programs you're not using, and you can't easily switch between programs. I still haven't figured out how to "copy/paste" text on my tablet.

    Low electricity consumption is another bonus. A computer normally consumes 120 or more watts, which costs over a penny an hour to run @ 9 cents/kWh. This thing takes like 5 watts. So if you're trying to save a bit of electricity (or waste heat generated during the hot summer), it's a good way to surf the web, type up docuмents, and do basic computing.

    I was able to browse my local network (a Windows XP machine, as well as a Linux machine) right out of the box, too. Everything "just works".

    Going back to what I said earlier, the "game console" or "iPad" effect. Software engineers can really get things PERFECT when they don't have to worry about hardware variation. And with a standard device like this, there is no variation. So the Linux distributions *should* be more stable than the ones they make for desktop computers (which have an infinite variety of hardware).

    And I don't know if you've ripped DVDs to files before, but you can fit a lot of complete movies on an 8 GB card (which is this thing's hard drive), and even more on a 16 GB card. Imagine taking 20 movies with you inside this little device instead of a stack of 20 DVDs (assuming you can find 20 movies worth watching! hahaha)

    Another neat thing -- if you buy a second $10 SDcard, you can set up a whole second machine!  One for work, one for home. Or one for Media Center, and one for regular computing. You just slide in the SDcard and plug in the adapter, and you boot into a whole different computer setup!

    I guess I take this for granted being a Linux user, but usually having several copies of Windows, one for each person, would be expensive since Windows isn't free. But Linux is free, so having multiple copies "activated" or "being actively used" is no big deal.

    I could see this being useful for homeschooling. Each child could have his own personalized "setup" -- any settings, profiles, progress, etc. would be saved to his "own" card. Just buy one SDcard for each child and they each have their own PC, as it were.
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    « Reply #4 on: January 04, 2014, 01:34:10 PM »
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  • And it really is an inexpensive device. Depending on what you already have lying around the house, and/or how handy you are, you can get one for as little as $42.

    You can print out a "case" on cardstock and cut out the holes yourself. Or build one out of Lego or wood.

    And if you already have one or more SDcards, a way to write to them (phone/camera/SDcard reader) a USB power adapter from a smartphone/tablet, a USB WIFI adapter (or you have wired ethernet), then you're all set. You just need the device plus shipping.

    You can also use a powered USB hub to power the device. Then you can use the rest of the hub's ports for peripherals like joysticks, printers, external hard drives, external DVD writers, etc.

    Like in this video:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/pDA7MxFtoS0[/youtube]

    They have a cheaper model ("Model A") that's $10 less, but you give up a USB port as well as half the RAM. I think you also give up HDMI video. Not worth it, in my opinion.

    I think the Model B's 512 RAM is enough, but I wouldn't want to go any lower!
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    « Reply #5 on: January 04, 2014, 02:47:31 PM »
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  • Here are a couple pictures:

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    « Reply #6 on: January 04, 2014, 03:07:59 PM »
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  • Wow. That is pretty neat that they make a functional computer that is so small and so inexpensive.  :smoke-pot:
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    « Reply #7 on: January 04, 2014, 03:14:28 PM »
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  • And rather than focus on its weaknesses (lower power than a usual desktop) one should focus on the strengths and special abilities.

    Such as:

    Price (of course)

    Being able to take the device's SDcard ("hard drive" as it were) and copy it to a file on your main machine. You can then back up the WHOLE THING for backup/restore purposes.

    My example above (a homeschooling family) would only have to set up ONE device, and then you could clone it 5 times to 5 different SDcards. Pretty neat!

    You can also forget about viruses and malware, since this is Linux. And even if you somehow managed to run into problems, you could just "wipe" the SDcard back to your "clean slate" disk image (residing on your main computer), and you're all set! Such an operation only takes a couple of minutes. So no matter what your kids install you can always recover from it if they mess something up. There are thousands of free Linux programs available. Just type

    apt-get install (name of program)

    at a command prompt.

    And with Google, you'll always have plenty of help on how to do stuff.
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    « Reply #8 on: January 04, 2014, 03:25:31 PM »
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  • Amazing.
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    « Reply #9 on: January 04, 2014, 03:50:30 PM »
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  • I like it, I like it a lot. Especially the power efficiency and small size.

    And the SD card keeping storage simple.
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    « Reply #10 on: January 04, 2014, 04:15:12 PM »
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  • Yes, it's nice to be able to "hide" your computer inside a block of wood or something.

    You can easily move it around the house, or put one in an RV or remote cabin.

    I was originally pretty excited about tablets, but A) even with a keyboard it's not the same, and B) you are restricted on what software is available.

    But since I've used Linux for years, I know just what is available for free. And the answer: quite a bit. Or, everything I've ever looked for.

    I can install my usual programmer's text editor "Geany" on it. I can install my usual FTP program "Filezilla", and so forth. You can install the Chromium web browser (which is just like Chrome).

    I can't run something as heavyweight as Eclipse, but that's a pretty heavy program. Nevertheless, I *can* install a lighter programming environment and do real work.
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    « Reply #11 on: January 06, 2014, 01:34:40 PM »
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  • Here is a nice article about Media Center options for the Raspberry Pi.

    http://www.zdnet.com/raspberry-pi-raspbmc-and-openelec-7000024733/?s_cid=e539&ttag=e539
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    « Reply #12 on: May 31, 2014, 04:03:13 PM »
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  • BUMPing this thread from my Raspberry Pi as well.

    Still working great!
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    « Reply #14 on: May 31, 2014, 11:50:44 PM »
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  • My Raspberry Pi has been operating for near a month now, non-stop...
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