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Offline MaterDominici

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Re: Facebook really is dead
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2025, 05:18:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Jonah on January 02, 2025, 06:10:30 PM
    I'm not a social media guy...not by virtue; rather, by temperament (once had to create a LinkedIn profile and it was PAINFUL). It seems that there are still some worthy things available on facebook:

    https://www.facebook.com/cardinalbacci/

    Back in the day, that's the kind of thing that would be posted on a blog (blogspot, wordpress). I don't know, but it seems that at some point, search engines quit "promoting" blogs and their demise followed.
    I really like this one: https://www.facebook.com/CatholicDevotionalArt
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #16 on: January 03, 2025, 05:22:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 02, 2025, 01:47:42 PM
    I posted on a FB group 9 days ago. The group supposedly has "1.2K members".
    After 9 days, the post has been seen *drumroll*...
    15 times.
    Yes, 15 times.
    Does anyone actually browse FB anymore? Even one's "feed" isn't viewed much, it would seem. Even less are the average posts in a given group (which don't make the "cut" a.k.a. favored by The Algorithm)
    It seems to me that the algorithm has seriously downgraded posts within groups, and if your post didn't include an image, it's as good as non-existent.
    OTOH, the groups page is majorly improved in that it pretty much just shows posts from your groups, no more "suggested groups", and gives precedence to groups you've visited recently. So, it works for me, but that's also on a desktop and I don't know what it would look like on a phone.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #17 on: January 03, 2025, 09:15:36 AM »
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    • I never used FB from the beginning. I only got an account a few years back for Marketplace ( which I love)
    It was a great datamining operation for a long time and I guess it served it's purpose for TPTB.
    Now X is gathering up all the αnтι-ѕємιтєs! LOL
    I'm sure I'm on the list- oh well
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #18 on: January 03, 2025, 09:47:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on January 03, 2025, 05:18:05 AM
    I really like this one: https://www.facebook.com/CatholicDevotionalArt

    And that's just it.  I scrolled down three times and it kicked me out, asked me to sign in, which I cannot do, as I do not have an account, and as I noted above, I don't want one.

    Those who wish to serve the general public with a website need to find another platform.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #19 on: January 03, 2025, 05:04:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 03, 2025, 09:47:30 AM
    And that's just it.  I scrolled down three times and it kicked me out, asked me to sign in, which I cannot do, as I do not have an account, and as I noted above, I don't want one.

    Those who wish to serve the general public with a website need to find another platform.
    I have this experience a lot and I honestly cannot see the business reasoning behind it. If I'm linked something from your website and you let me browse it, then I will scroll through and see many of your ads, and you get your revenue. But if, after scrolling for half a second, I'm barred from seeing anything else, I'll just click away. How is the latter more profitable than the former? 

    I understand that at one point you want people to actually register, but how is kicking millions of users to the curb more profitable than just letting them browse for a while until they want to register? 
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #20 on: January 03, 2025, 05:58:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on January 03, 2025, 05:04:29 PM
    I have this experience a lot and I honestly cannot see the business reasoning behind it. If I'm linked something from your website and you let me browse it, t

    I understand that at one point you want people to actually register, but how is kicking millions of users to the curb more profitable than just letting them browse for a while until they want to register?
    ...
    I know next to nothing about generating revenue, but I think that if the SITE gets your "view" for 2 seconds  hey, they can chalk it up and show advertisers how many millions visited their site.  == more $$.
    I wonder how many more registered users they get per day? Cathinfo apparently gets about 1.23 souls.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #21 on: January 03, 2025, 10:19:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: forlorn on January 03, 2025, 05:04:29 PM
    I have this experience a lot and I honestly cannot see the business reasoning behind it. If I'm linked something from your website and you let me browse it, then I will scroll through and see many of your ads, and you get your revenue. But if, after scrolling for half a second, I'm barred from seeing anything else, I'll just click away. How is the latter more profitable than the former?

    I understand that at one point you want people to actually register, but how is kicking millions of users to the curb more profitable than just letting them browse for a while until they want to register?

    It's a limitation apparently hard-coded in by TPTB at Facebook.  It's not the idea of those who have Facebook pages, many of whom are business owners who certainly don't want anyone impeded from looking at their FB pages in full.

    This is very tone-deaf and obtuse on the part of Facebook.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #22 on: January 04, 2025, 10:47:45 AM »
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    but for brick-and-mortar restaurants, clothing, and electronics stores to have only Zuckpages struck me as bogus,


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    Those who wish to serve the general public with a website need to find another platform.

    I agree, I don't think Facebook was designed to be a commercial or organizational web site, especially with e-commerce seemingly being so important, I don't think payments can be processed on Facebook.  It is mostly a place for family, friends, acquaintances, and people with mutual interests to interact and share information and pictures.  I suspect some businesses use Facebook in lieu of a web site because they probable aren't "web savvy" and / or don't want to pay someone to build and host a commercial web site ... Facebook is no-cost to them.  Some may use Facebook as a way to direct traffic to their commercial website ... I've had web search results where a business or organization's Facebook shows up but not a web site, but if they also have a web site the URL will likely be listed on their Facebook.

    Another reason a business or organization might use Facebook is for it's "push factor" (if I'm using the right phrase).  My regional library had both a web site and a Facebook.  As I "follow" their Facebook I get notifications of upcoming holiday closures (and weather closures) and special events "pushed" to me when I open Facebook.  I otherwise may not know about these unless I had seen flyers at a library branch or checked their website daily, which isn't practical.  The same thing can be done by joining e-mail or text message lists, but I don't want those communication pipelines jammed up with notifications, I find Facebook better suited for that kind of information.

    I suppose it comes down to a situation of (1) If Facebook has information or communication features that one finds useful to them, they will have an account so as to take advantage of those features ... or ... (2) If they don't find it useful, or don't like how it operates, then just don't use it ... the information and communications features exist in other venues and by other means.

    But Facebook is definitely NOT dead.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #23 on: January 04, 2025, 08:31:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 03, 2025, 10:19:26 PM
    It's a limitation apparently hard-coded in by TPTB at Facebook.  It's not the idea of those who have Facebook pages, many of whom are business owners who certainly don't want anyone impeded from looking at their FB pages in full.

    This is very tone-deaf and obtuse on the part of Facebook.
    Oh I know; I meant the business readoning for Facebook. Surely it just loses them a ton of traffic.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #24 on: January 06, 2025, 12:19:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: moneil on January 04, 2025, 10:47:45 AM

    I suspect some businesses use Facebook in lieu of a web site because they probable aren't "web savvy" and / or don't want to pay someone to build and host a commercial web site ... Facebook is no-cost to them.  Some may use Facebook as a way to direct traffic to their commercial website ... I've had web search results where a business or organization's Facebook shows up but not a web site, but if they also have a web site the URL will likely be listed on their Facebook.

    That is no doubt true in some cases, but I find time and again that various organizations --- businesses and even religious entities --- use Facebook as their sole means of Internet presence, seemingly because, as you note, it doesn't require web expertise and is free.  That was fine until TPTB at Facebook decided to do this "three scrolls and bomb out" thing.

    This would be a golden opportunity for someone to come along with a type of free web hosting that works like Facebook, has the same look and feel, but allows anyone to use it, whether logged in or not, without such limitations.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #25 on: January 06, 2025, 01:00:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on January 06, 2025, 12:19:27 PM
    That is no doubt true in some cases, but I find time and again that various organizations --- businesses and even religious entities --- use Facebook as their sole means of Internet presence, seemingly because, as you note, it doesn't require web expertise and is free.  That was fine until TPTB at Facebook decided to do this "three scrolls and bomb out" thing.

    This would be a golden opportunity for someone to come along with a type of free web hosting that works like Facebook, has the same look and feel, but allows anyone to use it, whether logged in or not, without such limitations.
    It's also due to search engine placement. The FB page for a business will often appear higher in Google results than their actual website. A business trying to compete with that isn't going to succeed without some major change in Google's search results.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #26 on: January 06, 2025, 07:23:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 02, 2025, 08:09:36 PM
    It's not just the fingers. It's the way his whole "arm" and "hand" is positioned. Just look at it!
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    Yikes!!! I didn't even notice that until I looked at it again after you mentioned it. That's freakish!! Thanks a lot, Matthew, that's going to give me nightmares now! :trollface:
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #27 on: January 08, 2025, 02:14:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 02, 2025, 08:09:36 PM
    It's not just the fingers. It's the way his whole "arm" and "hand" is positioned. Just look at it!
    AI gets things *so* wrong sometimes. Not surprising, considering ZERO intelligence is involved...
    Clearly the boy broke his arm because he was working so hard on the sculpture :laugh1:

    ... or maybe double-jointed elbows are his secret to sculpting so well.
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    Re: Facebook really is dead
    « Reply #28 on: January 08, 2025, 02:34:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 02, 2025, 08:09:36 PM
    It's not just the fingers. It's the way his whole "arm" and "hand" is positioned. Just look at it!
    AI gets things *so* wrong sometimes. Not surprising, considering ZERO intelligence is involved...
    Yeah, it looks like someone is hiding behind and reaching around him. Also, the boy's face looks a lot like a black Zuck.
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