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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2016, 11:43:39 AM »
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    Let me put it this way, it's like asking people who have Windows 7 what their favorite command is.


    No it isn't, as most Windows users don't use the command line. Command line use in Linux is marketed heavily to Linux users as one of the attractions of Linux, making tasks easier to accomplish instead of using gui programs. I always ask Linux users I encounter about favorite commands, as I assume that they have a passing knowledge of the command line (which they usually do, unlike Windows users) and I'm hoping to learn about a new command to add to my toolbox.

    That you think it's a sign that I don't use Linux because I'm asking you and Matthew about some of your favorite commands makes me wonder if you use Linux.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.


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    « Reply #16 on: February 06, 2016, 12:43:53 PM »
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    Let me put it this way, it's like asking people who have Windows 7 what their favorite command is.


    No it isn't, as most Windows users don't use the command line. Command line use in Linux is marketed heavily to Linux users as one of the attractions of Linux, making tasks easier to accomplish instead of using gui programs. I always ask Linux users I encounter about favorite commands, as I assume that they have a passing knowledge of the command line (which they usually do, unlike Windows users) and I'm hoping to learn about a new command to add to my toolbox.

    That you think it's a sign that I don't use Linux because I'm asking you and Matthew about some of your favorite commands makes me wonder if you use Linux.


    I think I see now that you probably should have picked a better word than "favorite". I have been working with Linux command-line professionally for over 11 years, and that word doesn't come up among co-workers. Perhaps you meant to say "handiest" or "most frequently resorted to", but in Linux Mint, almost everything can be done with a mouse, because it is a windows graphical interface like MS Windows.

    One of the handy things I have run across is when you have so many files in a directory that there is trouble deleting them all. Perhaps the windows GUI knows how to handle it, but what I do on the command-line is to go into the directory and use the "chattr +i" on any file. This makes the file indestructible. Then I go back outside the directory and do "rm -rf <directoryname>". This deletes all the files in the directory except for the indestructible one. This prevents the directory itself from being deleted too. Then go in the directory and do "chattr -i" on that file and delete it as normal.


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    « Reply #17 on: February 06, 2016, 02:38:40 PM »
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  • Yeah "handy" is a better word. It's still strange that you would think I'm pretending to be a Linux user. Are you an overly-suspicious person?

    I hadn't heard of chattr before. I'll probably get some use out of that command.

    This command will go through a folder and zip no more than 200 files for each zip. The resulting zips can be opened individually. Replace "200" with the number of files desired for each zip. This command requires GNU Parallel program. Not parallel from moreutils.

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    find * ! -name "*.zip" -type f -print0 | parallel -0 -N 200 zip arch{#} {}
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    « Reply #18 on: February 06, 2016, 02:52:13 PM »
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    Yeah "handy" is a better word. It's still strange that you would think I'm pretending to be a Linux user. Are you an overly-suspicious person?



    Not suscpicious at all. I merely responded based on that one message of yours I was responding to, without recalling what you previously wrote about your Linux experience.

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    I hadn't heard of chattr before. I'll probably get some use out of that command.

    This command will go through a folder and zip no more than 200 files for each zip. The resulting zips can be opened individually. Replace "200" with the number of files desired for each zip. This command requires GNU Parallel program. Not parallel from moreutils.

    Code: [Select]
    find * ! -name "*.zip" -type f -print0 | parallel -0 -N 200 zip arch{#} {}


    If you are a zipaholic, then that sounds good!

    The command "apropos" is really good if you follow it with a keyword, and it will give you a list of all commands associated with that keyword.

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    « Reply #19 on: February 07, 2016, 12:32:04 AM »
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  • My 2c from a "normal" PC user ... I know nothing about command lines, etc

    I just started using Linux Mint (in Dec?). Most of what I do is internet-based and since I was using Chrome before, there's nothing different about moving to Linux.

    LibreOffice has a few quirks that annoy me, but it's been able to get the job done with everything I've needed so far.

    After 15+ years of using Quicken, I've moved to KMyMoney with only a few complaints, but nothing show-stopping.

    I don't like that there is not a "recent docuмents" option on the start menu because I previously used that a lot.

    Matthew set me up so I can still use Picasa, but as it can't see my camera or scanner, it's not quite the same useful program I had before. Hopefully, he'll figure that one out sooner or later.

    Biggest peeve is that I can't print coupons. Most online coupon providers use coupons.com and it doesn't work with Linux. Hopefully Matthew will figure out a work-around for this as well, but I doubt I'd ever be able to figure it out myself.

    In short, I still think you need to be a computer guy (or married to one) in order to move to Linux and not have to part with a functionality or two. But, the FREE on the price tag is enough reason to give it a try.
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    « Reply #20 on: February 07, 2016, 12:37:05 AM »
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  • McCork,
    I recommend you not misquote the moderator in your sig line.
    I doubt your unaware, but there should be a :smirk: at the end.
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    « Reply #21 on: February 07, 2016, 03:22:32 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    McCork,
    I recommend you not misquote the moderator in your sig line.
    I doubt your unaware, but there should be a :smirk: at the end.


    I was unaware. It was actually just a simple text smile at the end, not a smirk, as you now suggest. The context shows that I did not misquote it, but that it can be taken at face value. In the original thread it was quoted many times without the smile.


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    "Being against Feeneyism does NOT make you unique in any way. Actually, it just means you're Catholic. Not exactly narrowing things down!

    I'll do my own research on "true identities" of posters, thank you very much. I am quite satisfied in the case of Ambrose.

    You guys are ridiculous. Two people holding the same position means they're the same person? What a genius! That's like saying "these two people are Democrats; therefore they're the same person!"

    Uh, no. There are only two main political parties in the U.S.: Republican and Democrat.

    Likewise, there are two main camps in the BoD debate: Feeneyites and Catholics :) And the Feeneyites are the minority. So the fact that two people are non-Feeneyite does NOT suggest they are the same person. "

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    « Reply #22 on: February 07, 2016, 10:32:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    I have been working with Linux command-line professionally for over 11 years, and that word doesn't come up among co-workers. Perhaps you meant to say "handiest" or "most frequently resorted to" [....]&#160;

    One of the handy things I have run across is when you have so many files in a directory that there is trouble deleting them all. Perhaps the windows GUI knows how to handle it,

    I infer from the lower-case 'w' that you meant the specific W.I.M.P. user-interface available on a specific user's Linux system, because the procedure to be used on the Microsoft flagship product is hardly any secret.

    Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    [...] but what I do on the command-line is to go into the directory and use the "chattr&#160;+i" on any file. This makes the file indestructible. Then I go back outside the directory and do

    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;rm&#160;-rf <directoryname>

    [where the '<' and '>' are not to be typed, but they and the terse description they enclose must be replaced by the actual name
    of the directory.]

    This deletes all the files in the directory except for the indestructible one. This prevents the directory itself from being deleted too. Then go in the directory and do "chattr&#160;-i" on that file and delete it as normal.

    Yikes!  An accomplishment that can be catastrophic for the inexperienced users who are almost certainly the majority in this (sub)forum.  Do you really believe that it's prudent to show readers herein how to delete (d.b.a. "rm" for "remove") all their files, without pointing out that your example uses the options that do it recursively ("r") and prevent ("f" for "force") what would otherwise be a second chance provided by the dialog (rare from *nix commands) that requires confirmation by the user first?  Especially considering that average nontechnical users, left to their own inclinations, tend to create few--if any--directories to group or organize files that they use?


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    « Reply #23 on: February 07, 2016, 11:30:00 PM »
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  • Quote from: AlligatorDicax (Feb 07, 2016, 11:32 pm)
    Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    I have been working with Linux command-line professionally for over 11 years[....]&#160;

    One of the handy things I have run across is when you have so many files in a directory that there is trouble deleting them all.


    I'm mystified by your claim of "trouble deleting them all".  Have some distributions of Linux implemented numerical limits to file deletion via "rm"?

    Quote from: AlligatorDicax (Feb 07, 2016, 11:32 pm)
    Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    [...] but what I do on the command-line is to go into the directory and use the "chattr&#160;+i" on any file. This makes the file indestructible. Then I go back outside the directory and do

    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;rm&#160;-rf <directoryname>

    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;[where the '<' and '>' [....]]

    Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    This deletes all the files in the directory [....]

    Yikes!  An accomplishment that can be catastrophic for the inexperienced users who are almost certainly the majority in this (sub)forum.  Do you really believe that it's prudent to show readers herein how to delete (d.b.a. "rm" for "remove") all their files [....] ("f" for "force") [....]

    Upon further review, my hastily formatted rubrical insertion to clarify the command syntax ironically contributes to the potential problem to which I objected.

    Regrettably, deleting one's own posting is a feature for CathInfo that's now disabled.

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    « Reply #24 on: February 08, 2016, 02:45:22 AM »
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    Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    I have been working with Linux command-line professionally for over 11 years, and that word doesn't come up among co-workers. Perhaps you meant to say "handiest" or "most frequently resorted to" [....]&#160;

    One of the handy things I have run across is when you have so many files in a directory that there is trouble deleting them all. Perhaps the windows GUI knows how to handle it,

    I infer from the lower-case 'w' that you meant the specific W.I.M.P. user-interface available on a specific user's Linux system, because the procedure to be used on the Microsoft flagship product is hardly any secret.


    Yes, I deliberately used a lower-case "w" to avoid reference to the Microsoft product.


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    Quote from: McCork (Posted Feb 06, 2016, 1:43 pm)
    [...] but what I do on the command-line is to go into the directory and use the "chattr&#160;+i" on any file. This makes the file indestructible. Then I go back outside the directory and do

    &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;rm&#160;-rf <directoryname>

    [where the '<' and '>' are not to be typed, but they and the terse description they enclose must be replaced by the actual name
    of the directory.]

    This deletes all the files in the directory except for the indestructible one. This prevents the directory itself from being deleted too. Then go in the directory and do "chattr&#160;-i" on that file and delete it as normal.

    Yikes!  An accomplishment that can be catastrophic for the inexperienced users who are almost certainly the majority in this (sub)forum.  Do you really believe that it's prudent to show readers herein how to delete (d.b.a. "rm" for "remove") all their files, without pointing out that your example uses the options that do it recursively ("r") and prevent ("f" for "force") what would otherwise be a second chance provided by the dialog (rare from *nix commands) that requires confirmation by the user first?  Especially considering that average nontechnical users, left to their own inclinations, tend to create few--if any--directories to group or organize files that they use?


    I recommended everyone use the GUI. I was merely mentioning to another seasoned Linux user a handy thing in an unusual circuмstance, one even you say you have never seen before, and don't expect anyone to see. It would most likely happen to a programmer/developer, or to one who has the administration of a public server, such as a mail server.

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    « Reply #25 on: June 11, 2016, 10:33:55 PM »
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  • After being a Mac early-adopter and three decades of product loyalty that Apple has spurned with planned obsolescence and back doors, I have had my bellyful of Apple's disdain for users' money and privacy.  Notwithstanding their big show of opposing the FBI recently, Apple has been all too willing to cooperate with the corrupt surveillance/police state. So, today I have decided to "go Linux."


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    « Reply #26 on: June 12, 2016, 01:25:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    My 2c from a "normal" PC user ... I know nothing about command lines, etc

    I just started using Linux Mint (in Dec?). Most of what I do is internet-based and since I was using Chrome before, there's nothing different about moving to Linux.

    LibreOffice has a few quirks that annoy me, but it's been able to get the job done with everything I've needed so far.

    After 15+ years of using Quicken, I've moved to KMyMoney with only a few complaints, but nothing show-stopping.

    I don't like that there is not a "recent docuмents" option on the start menu because I previously used that a lot.

    Matthew set me up so I can still use Picasa, but as it can't see my camera or scanner, it's not quite the same useful program I had before. Hopefully, he'll figure that one out sooner or later.

    Biggest peeve is that I can't print coupons. Most online coupon providers use coupons.com and it doesn't work with Linux. Hopefully Matthew will figure out a work-around for this as well, but I doubt I'd ever be able to figure it out myself.

    In short, I still think you need to be a computer guy (or married to one) in order to move to Linux and not have to part with a functionality or two. But, the FREE on the price tag is enough reason to give it a try.


    A couple updates:

    1. The scanner problem is solved, as we bought a new flatbed scanner/printer/copier (for a whole $170) and Linux finds it on the first try. It's modern, advanced, and has Wi-fi capability. It's a Brother MFC-L2740DW.

    2. As for printing coupons, I have a Windows XP virtual machine set up using VirtualBox (free, of course). We use this for Stamps.com (no Linux option) and coupons.com (again, no Linux option).

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    « Reply #27 on: June 12, 2016, 08:55:18 PM »
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  • Matthew, what should I consider when choosing between MATE and Cinnamon?

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    « Reply #28 on: June 13, 2016, 12:35:07 AM »
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    Matthew, what should I consider when choosing between MATE and Cinnamon?


    MATE is a bit tamer, and more reliable.

    Cinnamon is much more flashy, giving you a much more slick interface.

    I don't think Cinnamon is unusable or anything, just that it's slightly less reliable. Even if it's just because there is much more that can go wrong.

    If you take a random group of 1000 people, and a random group of 10,000 people, you will likely find 10X as many cancer cases in the latter group. Right?

    More complexity and more lines of code will always mean more errors and glitches.
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    « Reply #29 on: June 14, 2016, 09:21:34 AM »
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  • I learned last weekend that a download site spoofed Mint 17 and delivered a malware package onto Linux machines. I understand that it was nipped in the bud, but it serves as a warning to be cautious of downloads. I was told that the malware was discovered because the hashed ID for the malware did not match the correct hashed ID.