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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Job listings of shame
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2026, 08:58:19 AM »
Catholics should return to the skilled trades and building trades. The real builders of this country.

Sure, we'd love to ... but they've engineered things to make it difficult for someone to raise a family in those trades (where a few decades ago it was quite possible), AND Matthew and I are in situations where, quite frankly, we're a bit too old to be able to deal with the physical part of many or most such jobs.  I'll be 58 in a couple months.  Poeple USED to retired at 55, and the way things are going, I'll be working until 80.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Job listings of shame
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2026, 08:58:54 AM »
To help support her parents after all they've done for her, right?

Perhaps, eventually ... hopefully.  But I'll probably have to work until I'm 80.


Re: Job listings of shame
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2026, 09:44:46 AM »
Sure, we'd love to ... but they've engineered things to make it difficult for someone to raise a family in those trades (where a few decades ago it was quite possible), AND Matthew and I are in situations where, quite frankly, we're a bit too old to be able to deal with the physical part of many or most such jobs.  I'll be 58 in a couple months.  Poeple USED to retired at 55, and the way things are going, I'll be working until 80.
The family wage manufacturing jobs have diminished due to outsourcing and automation, but the skilled trades are still very viable.  Winter quarter last year I took a welding class at our local community college.  The guy in the booth next to mine was in the third year of a five year electrician apprenticeship program, which he entered right out of high school.  He made $103,000 his second year with, albeit with a LOT of overtime.  His training costs were paid for by the union sponsoring his apprenticeship.  Having a professional welding license would enhance his skills portfolio and if he successfully achieved the certification his union would reimburse his tuition.  Similarly, those with HVAC certification, often going through a sheet metal workers apprenticeship as the pathway, will often also train for an electrician's license.  The "other side" is that these jobs can exert a greater physical toll than desk jobs, and they are often working in physically uncomfortable (and sometimes dangerous) environments.  In my view they deserve the wages they make.

There has never been a time when the working class retired at 55, except because of physical disability.  Before the Social Security Act of 1935 most typically worked until they dropped, or if they couldn't work they had to be cared for by family or the county poor house.  Few were able to put away enough to live on without working.  When the Social Security Act passed in 1935 a retirement age of 65 was set.  The average life expectancy for a male in 1935 was 61 years.  The actuarial tables worked out well.  As people live longer obviously adjustments need to be made.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Job listings of shame
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2026, 01:17:18 PM »
There has never been a time when the working class retired at 55, except because of physical disability.

That's simply untrue, and I aslo know of many in said class who have personally told me that their bodies are beginning to give out and they're looking for other things to do.

There are probably SOME trades that are not SUPER physically demanding ... such as to be an electrician, though that can vary as well, but most of the others are physically very tough jobs, from plumbing to carpentry, etc.  Yes, you can still do it to a point, but it's simply inevitable that you SLOW down, you start getting back or knee problems.  Good luck trying to do one of those jobs if you've thrown your back out.  AND you're much less vigorous and your abilities are diminished.  Why do you think that professional athletes are considered washed up in their early 40s?  And these are men whose very lives revolve around working out and keeping in shape, even in the various roles that are less demanding, like you play baseball as a DH or play first base, where you don't have to exert yourself all that much, or as a catcher.  After their early 40s or so, their reflexes start to go, as do their batting averages, as perhaps their eyesite begins to fade, and so on and so forth.  That's just a fact.  So, just like with programming, NOBODY is going to want a guy who's closing in on 60 compared to taking someone in his 20s or even 30s.  After decades of experience, you could be a supervisor, a mentor to others, etc. ... but you'd have diminished role in the actual physical aspects of the job, and somebody just getting into those trades when going on 60 could never assume that type of role, where he'd be the wise sage that others would look up to and consult with.  You'd be a newbie at 60.  They hire newbies when they're young precisely to utlize their youth, energy, and their vigor ... but then as those attributes and qualities diminish, their experience and knowledge increase.  60-year-old newbie is pretty much a non-starter.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Job listings of shame
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2026, 02:35:48 PM »
Most business ideas/companies are started by men in their 50s, due to life/job experience giving them a good idea of what might be successful.  Keep your creative juices flowing...