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Also, what does she mean by "Vatican docuмents honored"? Is she suggesting that you can't criticize Vatican II's docuмents over there? Given her "no criticisms of the Holy Father" rule, I wouldn't doubt it.

She is referring to the "Vatican docuмent" that was apparently issued sub-secretum to select bishops that allows sex change in cases where the person's "inner turmoil" will be relieved. This was what Impy claimed justified his sex change and its "authority" is what made many people very unsure about how to handle the situation. How do you put up a fight in the face of a Vatican docuмent??

The story was full of holes but many people got caught up in this and their defenses were neutralized by it. It is the reason she claims she has never said or done anything against tradition, because she includes this docuмent in "tradition", as a Vatican docuмent, and believes that someday the Church will catch up with science and it won't have to be a secret docuмent anymore.  

It's in the Coming Out thread.

If that is all true (what they claim about this docuмent), then it would be extremely prudent to keep the situation private.

But it looks like there is a pattern of revealing things, and then flaunting them, and then demanding that people accept them.

I do not like to speculate, but it is insidiously subversive. I cannot say whether it is intentional or not, but it has become so far removed from basic moral teachings, that one wonders. How could a Catholic slip this far? I know many are misled by the passions, by social influences, etc, but the level of knowledge of the people involved is not low, and the number of people offering correction is very high. Is it possible for so many people to be caught up in personal relationships that they forget basic morality?

Is morality is measured by personal connections and familiarity, then all morality is relative and meaningless.

There are a few people on FE who I thought had a good sense of morality enough to avoid this, but they are seemingly a part of it.

I feel the same way.  I had always given so many there the benefit of the doubt, and was reluctant to stop reading even after the last big scandal (at least the last I knew about), but at this point something is just seriously wrong over there.  I feel like some of the people there need to pull back and get some perspective on what's going on - I find it hard to believe so many of them really think the way they seem to be thinking.

I have a feeling that if Vox had responded differently to the "I'm coming out" thread, they would have gone along with her. Otherwise, it means that many people, independently, are accepting this situation.

For those who are trying to be on the side of right, please read what I have written (and others, but I can only vouch for myself) on this matter previously (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=search&id=1626)

I've been glad to be able to read posts from you on this subject, Rosarium.  I always appreciated your posts when I used to run into them, finding them sobering and reasonable.  God bless you.

Thank you. I am not glad to have the occasion to write on this subject, but I think I have somewhat of a duty to renounce it, and warn against it, for the moral peril is grave and there is apparently an appeal to err on this matter. And I was a member of FE for a bit, and somewhat high profile, and despite my previous renouncing of the forum and its administration policies, I think this deserves a separate condemnation.

I thought I waited too long to leave FE, but I am extremely happy I did not wait until this. If I had been a member of a community which accepted this at all, I would have been most disturbed and doubted myself.