You really have to post the actual text here when dealing with Fisheaters, as posts there are made out of straw, not stone (if you know what I mean).
Wow -- Cathinfo got attacked specifically (note that he never calls it by name -- he doesn't want to send any traffic here -- makes sense from his point of view)
Of course, he's mistaken -- but that's another story I don't have much time for right now. I have to get to work pretty soon :plant:
Just for starters, his mind is SO inflexible he thinks that a forum owner HAS to personally "bless" every post written, as if it came from the forum owner himself. That's a blog, not a forum!
No, Quis, I don't personally bless every post here, it's called a FORUM and FREE SPEECH. I don't allow just anything (swearing or blasphemy, for example) but I allow latitude for people to actually discuss things here.
And Quis is a clever guy, understanding propaganda quite well -- he knows what to bring up and what to pass over. Noticed he "passed over" the issue of LIVING WITH VOX. Just because his first wife had a mental issue which "possibly" invalidated their marriage doesn't mean that Quis can start living with someone else right now. If he had such a good reason for annulment, why not start the proceedings, patiently await the Church's decision, and THEN begin dating after the marriage is annulled?
He also misses the point when he complains about "detraction", etc. It's as easy as 1-2-3.
1. He's a public figure. 2. HE brought it up on Fisheaters, otherwise none of us would have known about it! 3. Souls are being led astray by his example. Need I say more?
Anyhow, here are Quis's own words:
Really, as Vox said in not-so-many-words, our personal lives aren't anyone's business. But since the perverted minds want to dwell on it for years and years, I'll say this much to correct some errors:
I didn't divorce my wife for Vox. In fact, I didn't divorce my wife at all. She divorced me - she's the petitioner on the papers, and it had nothing to do with Vox. Her and Vox get along fine, and that wouldn't be the case if I "left her for Vox".
My Sacramental wife and I were divorced because of problems between her and myself that I will not go into exact details about because there are three small children involved. Suffice it to say that there has been involvement from school officials, etc., because of her behavior. She wanted the divorce because I tried to stop that behavior and I was "mean and cruel".
And so that people don't get the wrong information, as usual, from the vocal brain trust of theological wanna-bes, divorce isn't prohibited by the Church in this day and age. In fact, in the United States you cannot get an annulment unless you get divorced first. Yes, you read that correctly. The Church requires you to get a civil divorce before they will even consider a petition for annulment.
Let me be clear: I'm not saying that civil marriage or re-marriage is allowed; the Church says it isn't. I am saying that you have to get divorced before the Church will even look at your petition for annulment. Sounds backwards to me, too, but that's how it is. Civil divorce, in itself, is not a sin and is a requirement for the petition of annulment.
Vox and I don't "flaunt" our marital situation, nor do most of the people who know us in real life know anything about the state of our marriage. The main source of scandal is those on the internet who are engaging in detraction and bring it up for no reason other than petty vindictiveness. I don't go over to other people's houses and ask if they masturbate, fornicate, steal, etc. and then post on other forums about it, but apparently some people feel like they're entitled to engage in detraction and gossip under the guise of "Catholicism".
If you're better than Vox and I, God bless you. Pray for me. Seriously. I love being prayed for, and God knows I could use them because if anyone could be in my shoes for 10 minutes they'd know what hell on earth is and some of the reasons for my divorce.
Oh, what the hell. How about one sordid story? The bottom feeders and detractors can't be left with nothing, can they?
OK. Any dog lovers out there? I love dogs. They are the bestest creatures in the world. I had 3 Mastiffs. Maggie, Spanky, and Blue. Maggie (Magenta) and Blue were named by my kids from the show Blue's Clues. I named Spanky from the Little Rascals, and I picked him out personally. They were all from the same litter.
Spanky was a cool dog. Nothing bothered him. Almost 200 lbs., he was gentle as a lamb. The kids would poke him, and he would just lie there. His tail was always wagging. He was also very protective. He did not like strange men at all, but he loved kids. Any time a man came towards the gate and the kids were out, Spanky would put himself between the stranger and the kids. He was my favorite.
Blue was the leader. She would tell the other dogs what to do. Even Spanky would listen to her (though, when she got bitchy, he would bark real loud in her face and she would back off). Blue totally loved me. I would lay down on the lawn, and she would run up and lie down next to me and put her head on my chest. Every time.
Maggie was the weirdo. I think, maybe, she was a little retarded. I think the other dogs knew this. Blue and Spanky both let her get away with murder. She could steal their bones, etc., and they wouldn't say anything. She was a tough dog and gentle, too. At one point, she had a dislocated shoulder for a month because she didn't let on. I only knew there was a problem because I petted her on her hindquarters and she jumped and turned real quick ready to bite. But when she saw it was me, she just sat back down. She must have been in a lot of pain when I touched her, but she still didn't bite me. So, I took her to the vet, they knocked her out, pushed her shoulder back in, and she was good as new - though she never let on she was hurt before.
I loved those dogs. They were my best friends. They were the first dogs I ever picked out myself in my life. Especially Spanky because I hand-picked him and got to name him myself.
But I only got to know them two years. Mastiffs only live to ten anyhow, but two years is too short a time to have with your best (animal) friends. See, these dogs died when they were two.
The dogs were kept outside of the house in a heated outbuilding. I had been working very long hours and hadn't seen them much, but that happened from time-to-time because at night we put them in the outbuilding and when I had a huge project, I often had to work late. But at one point I noticed them missing.
"Where are the dogs?" "Oh, they were out earlier and a delivery was coming so I put them away" "Where are the dogs?" "Oh, it was pouring rain out so I put them away early" At one point I said, "Where are the dogs? I haven't seen them lately - are they alive?" "Yes they're alive! Why would you ask such a thing?"
But, they weren't alive. They were dead. And considerably dead.
I still remember when I found out. I had just finished that project and was going back to normal working hours in a few days. I was driving home and I called the wife because I had ordered this book on building kennels. I wanted, as most dog lovers, the best I could do for my dogs. This had plans for automatic waterers, heated outdoor houses (so they didn't have to be put away at night), etc. I was all excited about it, and started telling the wife about it.
"We have to talk about the dogs." "What about them?" "They're dead"
What? When? How?
The wife tells me they got leptospirosis (aka Weil's Disease in humans) and died. She says they got sick, she took them to the vet, it was too far gone. She says she was trying to build up the courage to tell me they were dying, but before she could, they died. Then she was afraid to tell me that they died.
Except, all that turns out to be a lie. They didn't have lepto, and she never took them to the vet. I can't prove anything to a legal level, but either she neglected them or she actively did something to cause their death. Because three young dogs don't die on the same day without a little help. It's just too much of a coincidence.
But wait, it gets better. Here's the juicy part.
Mastiffs weigh 150-200lbs. I had 3 of them. I want you to imagine the dogs you love, rotting in the heat for two weeks. Then imagine 600 lbs of dog, aka, your best friends, rotting in the heat for two weeks. I had to use a backhoe / loader to bury my best friends while they were falling apart, dripping on the ground all the way to the mass grave I dug for them.
One day they were there - barking, playing, Blue laying on my chest like I was the love of her life, and the next they were 1/4 ton of rotting dog meat full of maggots and stench.
My dogs.
Do you guys like that story? Great gossip, huh? Go for it. Post it. Revel in someone else's misery. You know you want to. You know you love to. You know there are forums where you can freely engage in detraction and speculation and pick apart people's personal lives for your own amusement, so here's a hunk of bloody meat for you to chew on. Bloody Mastiff meat to be exact.
Of course, how people treat animals often describes how they treat humans. Including their children. And I'll leave the conclusions to be drawn to the reader, but say that might give some insight into the circuмstance of my previous (and binding under the Church until it's annuled) marriage.
I will say, however, that people don't behave as my ex-wife does without reason. She has a set of problems that I tried to help her with, and I still, in some ways, try to help her with. So don't think too terribly of her because in many ways she is a product of her upbringing and I don't think God will hold her culpable for much of what she does and has done. Actually, if you've got a chance, throw a few prayers in for her, too.
This forum is a place for people to hang out. It's not a Tribunal, it's not a Theological Institute, it's not any of that. It's for people to hang out to try to become better Catholics or have Catholic friends. Or even to post silly stuff about beer and boobs (yes, Orville is a valued member of the forum and always will be).
But it's not a place for the mentally unstable, the holier-than-thous, the detractors, liars, and calumnators. People like that can go to that other forum where Stevus, Caminus, Mike Solimanto, Angelofmercy, and the other sick ones hang out. You can hang out with Roscoe who calls black people "Nigerians" and the Siri Theorists. You can engage in detraction and lies about people. You can prove you're better than they are by picking apart their personal lives, making assumptions, and judgments. All with the blessing of the forum owner.
In fact, much of that forum's active membership is composed of people who were banned from here. In no small part because everytime there is a blowup at FE, people who get banned go there to rant and rage because the forum owner lets them. In fact, he revels in it. He bottom-feeds with banners inviting the "FE lurkers" to join his forum when they're over there looking at the spectacle.
If you want to see what kinds of people were banned from here, go to that forum. And that forum is run by someone who was banned from here and is an ex-SSPX seminarian under Bishop Williamson. I'm sure Bp. Williamson would just love it if a reporter went to that forum, interviewed the forum owner and reprinted the posts about the "Nigerians" and "THE JEWS" the conspiracy and end-of-world theories and held it up as an example of what the SSPX and Bp. Williamson teach in the Seminaries. And then by "logical extension" apply it to the traditionalist movement and the Catholic Church as a whole.
Of course it objectively is a bunch of nuts on a forum, but that won't stop the reporter. The people there and the forum owner don't care who they defame, what image they portray to the public, etc. Because, you know, they're holier than everyone else and it's their Catholic duty to engage in imprudent discussions, detractions, etc. even if it tears down people and especially Holy Mother Church.
But, that's not going to happen here. Ever. Vox and I will take this place down, burn it, and curse the ashes before we let this place be like that one.
Vox and I don't really care who leaves the forum because it is "tainted". That's up to them. Go, leave. Goodbye. Have a nice day. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. Stevus and Chant have the red carpet rolled out for you at the "holy" forum.
The forum is here for Catholics of all kinds (and non-Catholics) to hang out, not just the "holy" ones. If you can sustain sinners in your midst, you are certainly welcome to be here. Otherwise, shake the dust from your sandals and go.
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