Angelofmercy, kudos for having the moral courage to bring this up over there! It was the hidden reason you were mercilessly attacked by Quis in the first place. This was confirmed as you were immediately lifetime banned by even broaching the subject. It seems they are not willing to dialogue on it. Only ban anyone who would try to tell them the truth in charity and keep anyone who would confirm their decision.
It seems you were not only immediately banned but even lifetime banned! Nevertheless, hopefully posters there can see this for what it is and stop contributing to the board and supporting them in this situation until it has been addressed. It truly is for their welfare first and foremost. If you are in such a questionable marital state, then for the sake of your soul you should stop running and pontificating on Trad Cath internet forums and address that first. As it is the forum just seems to be a distraction to the real issue and worse a running keyboard justification of their state with willing sychophants confirming them in their state and defending them so that they too aren't given the axe. Is forum membership worth confirming people in sin? The cheerleaders need to ask themselves this.
In any case Q&V can keep shooting messengers and "banning" them from their presence but the message remains and their guardian angels will keep reminding them that they need to address this situation in a Catholic manner and stop causing scandal by trying to justify it. I don't think they can "ban" the Hound of Heaven no matter how much they may try. Nor can they fool Him.
It seems they pride themselves in not "trashing" other forums but it seems this forum is ok to "trash".
Vox's response is quite disgusting and crude and serves as an example of the level of "discussion" you wil find at FishEaters. She mockingly describes fornication complete with ethnic slurs, pornographic references, graphic sɛҳuąƖ questions, etc. In fact if you have a weak stomach, or are easily scandalized, don't read this. I post it only as a shocking example to those Trads who may be thinking of visiting there to warn your friends to stay away from that toxic forum.
She gives an extreme (and quite disgusting) caricature of her situation, implying that since that is not what happened (exactly) then what actually did happen is a-ok. In addition there is the typical "we are all sinners" justification. Therefore unless you are sinless, you are to kep quiet about their public scandal and not "judge" them for it; and if you do, then YOU are in fact the worse sinner and they are mere victims of your cruelty and hate. Neat trick!
Obviously whether or not they are actually having sex is a red herring. The point is what Chant and Salmontano and others have been pointing out since '07. As Catholics you don't pursue intimate relationships with the other sex, especially moving in with them (near occassion), if and until you have annulments in hand. By their logic Catholic guys and girls who are dating can shack up and live as "brother and sister" until they actually decide to get married and then they can simply start engaging in the marital act afterwards. This is madness! I wonder what consensus of theologians or what priest agrees with this rationale?
Again, Vox and Quis made this public (proudly) in '07, not me or Chant or anyone else. I just found out about it, to my horror, recently. In the interest of full disclosure I think those who post there and especially contribute money to the site should at least be warned.
If two Catholics start an apostolate and they are in the state of public sin do you simply support their apostolate and turn a blind eye to their conduct? Or do you not rather beg them to address it and pray for them to change their behavior before supporting it?
Vox ends her tirade against those who would object to shacking up while sacramentally married to another with "Now let's act civilized and with charity. Please."
After her rant against those who would try to steer her in the right direction, I think the irony is lost on noone.
Anyway, here is Vox's response:
Since no one here knows much of anything about any ex-spouses involved (except for the lovely character of Ron), or the reasons for and state of Quis's and my civil and (presently) invalid marriage, I think it would be prudent for people to stop speculating.
Or, if you "must" speculate, go all the way: how about this scenario? Really, let's just get it alllllll out of your system. Here goes!
Now imagine this hideous possibility: Quis and I were both validly, sacramentally married to sane, loyal, faithful Catholics whom we married when all four of us had the intention of having Catholic marriages, knowing full well what that all meant, being non-psychotic and such that we were willfully able to enter into such a thing. We all go along happily, and then Quis and I meet online long before any mention of divorce entered our lives. Yes, while married in the eyes of God to people who desperately wanted to be married to us and to whom we were married under the aforementioned conditions, we meet on the internet, fall in love lust, and must have each other. We say to the true spouses, "to hell with you two! We wanna [fornicate] with each other!" We (not the spouses, of course) suddenly bring up divorce, and the spouses fought the idea tooth-and-nail. But we left said spouses anyway, and did and do [fornicate] It's all so fun!
Having imagined that, now what? Would such a scenario make you feel better? Would it vindicate you in any way? Would it make you feel superior? Would it make the FE website and all it teaches any less true? Would it make the forum any less useful? Would it indicate that Quis and I necessarily don't believe and teach what the Church teaches? If all the above were true (which it isn't, but the details of our situation: can't be discussed publicly until the children involved are emotionally ready to hear seriously painful Truths, aren't anyone's business, and don't matter one wit because the tongue-cluckers just love to talk anyway), what would it prove? That Quis and I would be sinners? Well, you already knew that, didn't you? And so are you a sinner. And so is everyone else here. So what's your freakin' point except to gossip, judge without knowing much of anything about the facts, and/or feel better about yourself for some preconscious reason? I mean, really, get over yourself. We know and intellectually assent to every drop of what the Church teaches; whether we are perfect in our wills/behaviors, absolutely horrid in such, or just typically human is between us, our priest, and God. What needs to be public has been made public. The rest is none of your or anyone's concern.
And as to this "if they were repentant they would not continue to live with one another" bit, there's no church law against two people living chastely with one another, and there are a thousand reasons for people to share a house aside from the dirty goings-on that some people like to think about apparently. What we do or don't do sɛҳuąƖly is simply none of your business. You can imagine the best of us, you can imagine the worst of us, you can imagine things in between. But any "scandal" aside from our entering into a civil marriage before an annulment was received (a phenomenon which also has the support of a thousand practical reasons) is in your own mind, or else you'd have to accuse Mr. Brady of having a menage-a-trois situation what with Alice living just off that orange-avocado kitchen, and nevermind all those rectories with housekeepers. What you do with your imagination is your call, how you dare to judge others is your call, and how you use your tongue is your call.
But if you want to play the judging game and pry into our personal lives (as opposed to those aspects of our lives which are public knowledge, such as our civil marriage, or those that affect the our public relationship with our Church, such as how our present invalid marriage precludes reception of the Eucharist), then let's play the game fairly. Since alllllllllllllll the hoo-ha here basically boils down to the question, "Are Vox and Quis fornicating?" OK! (and rest assured that your answers will be strewn about the internet on various fora, magnified, twisted, and speculated on to be shown in their worst light! And anything you say hereafter can be simply discounted because it will be known you're no a traditional Catholic, but a scandalous sinner who can speak no truth from here on out). So to begin:
[Obscene talk removed] Ever eat too much? Were you sufficiently repentant? Do you like talking about other people's sins or alleged sins? Ever detract from another's character or commit the sin of calumny? Ever miss Mass without good reason? Ever take the bigger piece of baklava when there were only two left and another person was wanting some? Ever disobey or dishonor a parent in any way? When you wring your hands over what you think is Quis's and my situation, do you truly concern yourself with the thought of us burning in Hell for eternity, which leads you, in turn, to pray for us? Or do you prefer to gossip instead?
Are we done yet? Get my point?
Now let's act civilized and with charity. Please.
Sorry, Stevus. I had to tone down Vox's obscene attempt at "humor".
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