Author Topic: Introduction and "Fish Eaters" Discussion (Read 34697 times)

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #30 on:** March 01, 2009, 02:54:23 PM »

Quote from: St Jude Thaddeus

I realized that that forum was becoming a near occasion of sin for me, tempting me into displaying a lack of charity and Christian humility.

Indeed the forum is a near occassion by its nature for everyone who posts there.

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Now, I already knew that many posters on any forum are people who just like to argue for the sake of arguing; some don't even read the previous posts before responding, some have an axe to grind, others are simply idiots, etc. But when even the moderators fall into those categories, what hope is there for the rest of us?

Exactly. You expect that from some posters, but when the site owners themselves , those in authority, persist in soul reading, baiting, ad hominems, strawmen, then really what's the point? Those in authority need to set an example, not wallow in the mud and encourage it and scorn those who do not.

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I was reading on it today and I noticed that there were almost no new topics since yesterday. Your presence there, Stevus, will be sorely missed.

I appreciate that St. Jude. There are only a handful of posters there who "get it" and those are on borrowed time. Quis nearly banned telemaque for no reason at all. He's there defending his position, but it was the "wrong" position.

The irony is that it is supposed to be a free discussion board but the owners have an agenda. They try to incorporate that agenda into the rules. But then when a true Catholic stands up for the truth, doesn't take their bait, etc. they go ahead and ban you anyway. In doing so they lose credibility. This breaks the "rule" facade and shows them for what they are. They simply want to enforce an ideology. If you oppose that ideology too effectively without breaking rules, they simply kick you out and make up justifications later.

No reason was given for Caminus. Quis somehow saw a "pattern" of behavior he disliked. With me, I had "changed".

Perhaps some will have their eyes open like Archimedes that if they step out of line and oppose the site owners' personal ideology a little too effectively they are not welcome. So the site becomes really a "club" for groupthinkers where a few Catholics are allowed to remain in order to be mocked, as long as they don't one up the mods.

Quis' ire doesn't just stop with Trads. There was a Novus Ordo girl who came in making very good points and asking questions and CMM and I were having a good back and forth.

Quis makes some snide comments, starts baiting, she keeps responding with logic and sources, out she goes! CMM even started a protest post, but the cheerleaders shouted him down saying "It's his right to boot whoever he wants!" as they moved in line to lick his boots so they wouldn't be next.

Not sure what happened to CMM. He's probably banned too.

It's not surprising the new posts have dropped. I often got compliments on the sibject matter of the threads I started from the Catholics on the board. The liberals would immediately start to inquire about "why" I had started a thread. Their bizarre interest into my motivations became a source of constant hijacking. When I wouldn't play their game they divined my intentions for me and then blasted me on their assumptions of my intentions.

The whole thing was absurd. When Quis started losing an argument he would claim "at least I don't put my 1950's views on everyone else and judge them", etc.

They simply assume every thread I start or argument I make is based on some 1950's heresy I apparently adhere to. They knew they couldn't battle on my turf (the facts) and win. So therefore every thread became about me and my perceived failures, inadequacies, sins, heresies, proclivities, etc.

On my calumniation thread (still going) one poster even divines my soul! Quis even does a complete public psychoanalysis of me.

There truly are some apparently "gifted" people on that forum!

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #31 on:** March 01, 2009, 03:02:22 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

Fisheaters has gone downhill, with a liberal and world-tolerant mindset dominating the forum, not due to accidentals of membership, but arising from the very leadership itself. I am referring to the forum, of course, and not the Catholic apologetics pages.

Indeed.

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Moreover, the mods there HAVE to be quashing their conscience to a certain extent, as most of the mods were fired at one point (shortly after the "scandal") and ALL of them know the situation between Vox and Quis, but say nothing about it. They have compromised, and we all know what effect compromise has on a person.

Very interesting. I did lose some respect for a lot of the people I thought were good Catholics, who, when faced with loyalty to friends or God picked friends.

Also, I find it interesting that the NO reading for Friday, when Quis chose to ban me, was the passage where Christ forbids divorce. The first reading also spoke of "friendship" and how you know who your friends are when you are unpopular. It turns out that my only true friends on the board were ones I would not have expected. INPEFFES showed some true courage calling the calumniators on the carpet after I left. Of course he was summarily mocked and ridiculed as expected.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #32 on:** March 01, 2009, 03:08:15 PM »

Quote from: ChantCd

We all know that half of FE has this site bookmarked *grin* (It's true that for every member there are probably 3 or 4 lurkers that haven't signed up, but are READING the posts. A serious-minded/news site like this one has a lot more lurkers, since people often don't know what they can/should post)

Oh no doubt! Just as I predicted they are simply adding this thread into their calumniation. Quis is holding the thread open so that certain liberals can "defend themselves" against my "attacks" (aka Calumniate me) but yet he actually self-reighteously tells them he will not stand for them talking bad about "other" ex-forum members! And then one of them apologizes!

It is true Alice and Wonderland over there.

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In short, on FE there is a 900-lb gorilla in the room (Vox and Quis' illicit relationship/affair/adultery/cohabitation/whatever you want to call it) that nobody talks about. Everyone pretends "everything is fine" and most new members assume that they were married right out of high school or something.

It is a very good strategy on their part -- to censor (discourage) all discussion on the topic. I know that it DOES work -- it's human nature. "What men do not see, they soon forget about."

Indeed you are right. I notice that they are reading this thread but not a single one has the courage to bring this skeleton up. That's the problem with posting there. If you want to keep posting there you have to sell your soul and keep quiet. It is extremely effective. A lot of these poor souls are so tied to the forum they will put up with just about anything so long as they keep in the owner's good graces.

Matthew · « **Reply #33 on:** March 01, 2009, 03:13:46 PM »

I like the part where several FE members are reminiscing about all the "good Fishies" that have been banned over the years, how they miss various members, etc... then Quis jumps in with "I don't like where this is going. Let's stay on topic, and not badmouth ex-members..." something to that effect.

Even though the thread was NOT going in that direction at the time. If anything, people were MISSING those ex-members.

At any rate, it was clever of him to gently steer the thread's direction. He sure doesn't want a stampede to CathInfo! (as further evidence that this was his intention, he moderated a link to one of Roscoe's posts here on CathInfo, for no apparent reason)

Matthew

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #34 on:** March 01, 2009, 04:25:35 PM »

Chant,

Not only that, do you not see the irony in that he forbids talking badly about ex-members, as posters one after the other talk badly about an ex-member?

But then he justifies that by saying they get the chance to defend themselves. Really? But yet he perpetuates their calumnies against an ex-member who he does not give the right to defend himself.

His hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

Caminus · « **Reply #35 on:** March 01, 2009, 10:32:01 PM »

Stevus, it's about time you got banned.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #36 on:** March 01, 2009, 10:41:12 PM »

Caminus! We should start a club of posters banned for owning Quis in arguments!

I'm over at incorruptibles as well.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #37 on:** March 01, 2009, 10:42:45 PM »

Caminus,

I think your final post to Quis, or was it an e-mail, summed it all up. You had the guy nailed. I'm sorry I convinced you to re-register there.

Caminus · « **Reply #38 on:** March 01, 2009, 10:55:59 PM »

Well, anger at all manner of idiocy has given way to feelings of pity. That is another example of how "technology" can indirectly affect the mind. These boards are not "places" anymore than a letter sent to someone could be considered a "place." He is not the "king of a domain." The language of computers has perverted his thinking. For him, "banning" has become "banishing from the land." This fantasy has superceded a properly formed catholic mind. We see this in his personal life made public in the form of a fantasy "marriage" with this woman named "Vox."

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #39 on:** March 01, 2009, 11:01:39 PM »

Good way of thinking about it. I'm curious for you to read my threads here and give your take on my observations and Quis' final ex post facto justification of my banning.

Then comment on Vox's condescending sermon on why people are deleting themselves over there. She is obviously speaking of me in a lot of it, she just won't say it.

I always thought you were a giant playing with dwarfs in that forum. Also you've got Archie and O'Neill allowed to spew forth all manners of absurd historical counter example to show that basically everything untraditional is traditional.

Is there ANYTHING Traditional about Archie and O'Neill (LaRoza)?

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #40 on:** March 01, 2009, 11:07:29 PM »

Here's his ex post facto justification of my banning complete with sermonette, public psychoanalysis, and full condescension. Get your barf bag!

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/show_single_post?pid=32243413&postcount=49

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #41 on:** March 01, 2009, 11:11:39 PM »

Here are the threads he uses as examples to justify my ban. Arguments where he was owned and struggling to tread water.

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=3327531

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=3303831

In one he says that a priest offering a 3rd or 4th ash service on ash wednesday is more important than offering even one confession time.

In another he argues that the opinion of a consensus of theologians is binding on our consciences. When cornered he admitted this means that Catholics in the 60's were bound to believe artificial contraception was licit to a moral certainty.

Caminus · « **Reply #42 on:** March 01, 2009, 11:57:54 PM »

I don't have access to that website anymore. Besides, I would prefer not to sort through the muddy streams of drivel. It's rather nauseating. You are an upstanding Catholic that was ill-treated by others who claim the same name. Let this injury be an occasion of sanctification. That is one of the most difficult lessons of our faith, summed up in the Cross, but God never fails at offering numerous opportunities to perfect its practice.

Now if Joe has the courage to assert his opinions on this website, then I may feel inclined to set the record straight.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #43 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:02:13 AM »

Somewhat of an interesting discussion you had going there about distribution of ashes on Ash Wednesday versus confession time.

I get confused at FE because it seems that a large number of the posters attend the NO where I would never expect to see confession on Ash Wednesday. As the default reference to Mass on this board refers to the Tridentine, if you're lucky enough to have a priest on Ash Wednesday, he's going to squeeze in as many Sacraments as he can. Personally, we had no priest around on Wednesday and therefore received ashes after Mass this morning.

What I didn't see mentioned in that thread was the very obvious element to Ash Wednesday (at least in San Antonio) in that the turnout is probably 3-4 times what you'd have on any given Sunday. It's part of the Mexican culture here to receive ashes even if you don't step foot in the church the rest of the year. And so, in offering ashes 4x a day and not a single minute for confession, the priests are encouraging that behavior. There should be ample opportunity for confession not simply because it's a good way to begin Lent, but also because there are many, many who have come for ashes who won't be seen for another year. Perhaps passing the line past the confessional door wouldn't be a bad idea either.

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #44 on:** March 02, 2009, 12:15:15 AM »

Mater you're exactly right. It's nice to have a voice of reason.

Did you see how Quis kept trying to put words in my mouth but I wouldn't let him?

He finally got PO'ed and banned me.

Why he couldn't understand a simple concept you understood immediately and continued to stubbornly bait me for pages is beyond me.

Author Topic: Introduction and &quot;Fish Eaters&quot; Discussion (Read 34697 times)

Author Topic: Introduction and "Fish Eaters" Discussion (Read 34697 times)