CathInfo.com

 Many trads including those on FE, think that west=christianity. they are ready to accept the bare breasted dress of 17th century french women as catholic, while they think that a thick veil makes them Jєωιѕн or moslem! They speak alot about the daily challenge of modesty and how one needs a lot of grace and a deep devotion in order to be able to do the hard job of modesty. They really can't accept that many many women in the world are ten times more modest than them while being deprived of many graces.
  "obedience is a hard virtue, it must be acquired by mortification and vigilance" they say. They just don't know that in my country, most of women cook for their husbands, wash their garments and dishes, and nurse them if they are sick.
  I don't want to advertise for a false religion (christian women in the ancient eras did these things too) I just wonder why it is easier for them to be obedient, than for modern catholics.

It is very strange, especially to see it among self-described "trads."

And to see such anger at the opposite proposition.

I don't understand how things have gotten to this point.

 Many trads including those on FE, think that west=christianity. they are ready to accept the bare breasted dress of 17th century french women as catholic, while they think that a thick veil makes them Jєωιѕн or moslem! They speak alot about the daily challenge of modesty and how one needs a lot of grace and a deep devotion in order to be able to do the hard job of modesty. They really can't accept that many many women in the world are ten times more modest than them while being deprived of many graces.
  "obedience is a hard virtue, it must be acquired by mortification and vigilance" they say. They just don't know that in my country, most of women cook for their husbands, wash their garments and dishes, and nurse them if they are sick.
  I don't want to advertise for a false religion (christian women in the ancient eras did these things too) I just wonder why it is easier for them to be obedient, than for modern catholics.

Good point -- what you've touched upon is the fact that people CAN have natural virtues, including good morals, even if they are not in God's friendship (state of grace).

I read of one case where a Catholic man was on a cruise ship. He was on the deck lighting a cigar, and began a conversation with an older man, an agnostic. During the conversation, the agnostic shamed him by telling him that he gave up cigars for an earthly motive -- his health -- while "you, a Christian, can't even give up cigars in honor of your God who you claim to love so much". The man was obviously of the Choleric temperament, because he decided right then and there to give up cigars.

This isn't about the morality of smoking, the point of the story is that non-Catholics -- unbelievers -- practice virtue all the time, even though they have much less motivation to do so. Why shouldn't Catholics excel them in virtue, since they have even more motivation to do so? Catholics actually merit a higher place in heaven when they do good works in the state of grace. A non-Catholic merely makes his life easier.

That's an interesting point though, Spouse. Americans have a hard time with obedience, so they make a huge deal out of it. Other cultures don't have nearly as difficult a time with it. As I always say, different races and cultures have different strengths and weaknesses.

Matthew