Many trads including those on FE, think that west=christianity. they are ready to accept the bare breasted dress of 17th century french women as catholic, while they think that a thick veil makes them Jєωιѕн or moslem! They speak alot about the daily challenge of modesty and how one needs a lot of grace and a deep devotion in order to be able to do the hard job of modesty. They really can't accept that many many women in the world are ten times more modest than them while being deprived of many graces.
  "obedience is a hard virtue, it must be acquired by mortification and vigilance" they say. They just don't know that in my country, most of women cook for their husbands, wash their garments and dishes, and nurse them if they are sick.
  I don't want to advertise for a false religion (christian women in the ancient eras did these things too) I just wonder why it is easier for them to be obedient, than for modern catholics.

It is very strange, especially to see it among self-described "trads."

And to see such anger at the opposite proposition.

I don't understand how things have gotten to this point.

 Many trads including those on FE, think that west=christianity. they are ready to accept the bare breasted dress of 17th century french women as catholic, while they think that a thick veil makes them Jєωιѕн or moslem! They speak alot about the daily challenge of modesty and how one needs a lot of grace and a deep devotion in order to be able to do the hard job of modesty. They really can't accept that many many women in the world are ten times more modest than them while being deprived of many graces.
  "obedience is a hard virtue, it must be acquired by mortification and vigilance" they say. They just don't know that in my country, most of women cook for their husbands, wash their garments and dishes, and nurse them if they are sick.
  I don't want to advertise for a false religion (christian women in the ancient eras did these things too) I just wonder why it is easier for them to be obedient, than for modern catholics.

Good point -- what you've touched upon is the fact that people CAN have natural virtues, including good morals, even if they are not in God's friendship (state of grace).

I read of one case where a Catholic man was on a cruise ship. He was on the deck lighting a cigar, and began a conversation with an older man, an agnostic. During the conversation, the agnostic shamed him by telling him that he gave up cigars for an earthly motive -- his health -- while "you, a Christian, can't even give up cigars in honor of your God who you claim to love so much". The man was obviously of the Choleric temperament, because he decided right then and there to give up cigars.

This isn't about the morality of smoking, the point of the story is that non-Catholics -- unbelievers -- practice virtue all the time, even though they have much less motivation to do so. Why shouldn't Catholics excel them in virtue, since they have even more motivation to do so? Catholics actually merit a higher place in heaven when they do good works in the state of grace. A non-Catholic merely makes his life easier.

That's an interesting point though, Spouse. Americans have a hard time with obedience, so they make a huge deal out of it. Other cultures don't have nearly as difficult a time with it. As I always say, different races and cultures have different strengths and weaknesses.

Matthew

lol - still getting downrated at Fish Eaters after not having posted for days.

As is the young lady who supported my position.

Sad.  I'm very sorry I ever recommended that site.

lol - still getting downrated at Fish Eaters after not having posted for days.

As is the young lady who supported my position.

Sad.  I'm very sorry I ever recommended that site.

Haha. Telesphorus, did I not call it a while back that you would be guillotined eventually? Columba and Scipio were on borrowed time when I was there.

It is truly a sign of orthodoxy. If you are an orthodox Trad you will soon be sniffed out and eventually axed. Why? Because you will continually prick their Neo-Trad secular, liberal, consciences until it is just too intolerable for them.

What is this "downrating"? The mods new way of trying to diminish your credibility by plastering their disapproval ratings next to your name? Haha!

But when you think about it, do we really expect those who can't figure out it's not Catholic to leave your spouse and get civilly married to your net flame, to recognize Catholicism? Are these truly people we want to be moderating a Traditional Catholic website and determining orthodoxy through their "downratings"?

The site is truly rotting from the head down. There will soon be nothing but Neo-Trads left patting each other on the back for their "tolerance" and encouraging each other in their devolution of any Catholic sense.

It truly is a tragedy. Morally they have an obligation to stop calling the forum Catholic and shut it down as it is a continual harm to souls. As I said before, it is rotting from the head down, just like a fish. The stench is overwhelming.

In the end I was banned for sticking up for confessions on Ash Wednesday. Haha. That was the "straw" that broke the Neo-Trad's back! Even Mike Searson, who left a while back wrote me, not believing it. It should truly tell you something.

Eventually you will be canned over something simple that should be a no-brainer for all Trads. Holding the "insane" opinion that wives should make their husbands sandwiches has already got you downrated. It's just a matter of time.

Spouse went on there and called the forum owners out on their public scandal and was immediately banned, to her credit. Most of the posters there are like the prophets for hire in the OT who told the king what he wanted to hear to remain in his good graces. The real prophets were meanwhile persecuted endlessly, treated like pariahs, and eventually killed. Be proud.

You are still there...for now. "Downrated" 60 points in the last 5 days for defending Catholic truth? And this is a desirable site to post on?

Quantity does not mean quality as you well know. If quantity is your goal,  you'd do more of a service preaching true Catholicism on Catholic Answers where at least most of the posters are sincere instead of frauds.

I don't think so. You are a well mannered poster. Catholic Answers posters still believe in Traditional morality and piety. They are simply not educated to a great extent on the Society's legal status questions.

Where Catholic Answers folks would debate substance with you, the Neo-Trads would simply personally attack you to try to silence you out of hatred and their guilty conscience. It is a paradox, but one I've found to be true.

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Haha. Telesphorus, did I not call it a while back that you would be guillotined eventually? Columba and Scipio were on borrowed time when I was there.

I'm still there.

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What is this "downrating"? The mods new way of trying to diminish your credibility by plastering their disapproval ratings next to your name? Haha!

Yes, well, after a certain point, it starts to backfire on them.

Well Stevus, while the site has a lot of problems, it has a large audience.

I suppose it's hard to know what the right strategy is.

Not to knock chant's site - but I hope someone will start another forum with a good core of posters who have the real Catholic sense.  Angelqueen is good, but more alternatives are always good, provided people can find them and keep them active.

The sad truth is that the "majority" of people can't handle the truth -- don't want the truth. It bothers them; it pricks at their conscience.

If CathInfo is to stay a forum full of sincere Catholics interested in the truth, it will never have as many members as Fisheaters. That's something I accepted long ago.

However, on the plus side, I haven't had to "prime the pump" here for a LONG time (that is, posting news stories to keep a steady flow of new posts). It's about as busy as FE was a few years ago. There are always several users online, day and night, and plenty of unregistered guests perusing the site at all times. There are plenty of posts to keep up with -- almost too many if you have much of a life!

So it's a very popular forum, even if it's still a bit more "quality" than "quantity".

Matthew