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Offline Mark 79

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floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
« on: December 18, 2022, 06:38:47 PM »
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  • Yes.

    Too bad drbo.org doesn't have a classic interlinear format with the translations directly below the Latin word being translated, as the Nova Vulgata that I linked does.

    If we are going to wish… I wish for an online annotated interlinear with the Vulgate, the Septuagint, the actual 1610 A.D. Douay Old Testament, and 1582 A.D. Rheims New Testament.

    The ʝʊdɛօ-Prot Bible Dis-Believers have a huge array of interlinears, but to the best of my knowledge, practicing Catholics have none.

    I think that practicing Catholics would benefit from having an online interlinear that could toggle on/off comparisons and annotations among the 1610 A.D. Douay Old Testament, the 1582 A.D. Rheims New Testament, the Septuagint, and the Vulgate as authoritative sources—and eventuallyannotated interlinear versions of the KJV and Masorete texts to spotlight the bowdlerized frauds therein.


    I like the idea of starting with the basics, the Douay, Rheims, and Vulgate. I realize this is somewhat similar in concept to the drbo.org use of the Challoner, but I'd like to use the original instead of the 18th century revision. I understand that the originator of drbo.org is quite ill and has handed off some responsibilities to others. Perhaps the owner would be open to selling/donating his site to expand it as I imagine. If not, the site could be built de novo.

    Differing from drbo.org, I envision that the KJV and Masorete frauds could be added later as time, money, and expertise allow.

    If this is a worthy idea, I’d like to start an online funding campaign. GoFundMe is justifiably suspect due to their (((politicization))), so other funding sites are likely better choices.  To best insulate the site from being dragged down, I like the idea of starting the site on (or moving the site to) Icelandic servers using an Icelandic domain. Eventually I'd like to see a completely distributed "dark web" eepsite that could never be dragged down.

    I have neither the html coding expertise nor the biblical scholarship to do this alone, but have the drive to build such a site.


    What do practicing Catholics say?


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #1 on: December 18, 2022, 06:44:41 PM »
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  • I would LOVE to see it. I don't know what I could do to help but to have the 1582 Rheims New Testament would be  the greatest thing to be able to access!!


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #2 on: December 18, 2022, 06:48:29 PM »
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  • The Douay and Rheims are available here: https://judaism.is/assets/douay-rheims-1610-bible.pdf

    My online proposal is for an annotated interlinear with the Vulgate and Septuagint and, once all that was functional and bullet-proof, adding annotated versions of the KJV and Masorete texts to prove their fraudulent nature.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #3 on: December 18, 2022, 07:17:47 PM »
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  • Great idea.

    Btw, there is at least one interlinear Septuagint, with the Greek NT, out there in book format and pdf.

    There is also a Kindle interlinear Septuagint.



    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #4 on: December 18, 2022, 07:47:39 PM »
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  • Great idea.

    Btw, there is at least one interlinear Septuagint, with the Greek NT, out there in book format and pdf.

    There is also a Kindle interlinear Septuagint.
    Yes, however the interlinears I have found use Prot "Bibles" for the vernacular.  The authentic texts can be found, but not as interlinears.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #5 on: December 18, 2022, 07:54:47 PM »
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  • Yes, however the interlinears I have found use Prot "Bibles" for the vernacular.  The authentic texts can be found, but not as interlinears.

    Neither one I referenced uses Prot translations. They use there own translations, similar to the interlinear Nova Vulgata I posted. I’ll post links.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #8 on: December 18, 2022, 08:13:43 PM »
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  • It's probably easily doable as those texts are in fact available online.  One would just have to compile them in a single database and line them up, applying the proper software to do so.  I could probably pull it off without too much difficulty, as I'm both a software developer and have strong knowledge of Greek, Latin, and even a passing knowledge of Biblical Hebrew.  There's a bit of a challenge with the Hebrew in that Hebrew reads from right to left, but it's still workable if the reader knows that.

    Perhaps over my Christmas break, I'll see if I can get the structure set up ... database, website to display it, and perhaps a way to start entering text.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #9 on: December 18, 2022, 08:15:04 PM »
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  • It's probably easily doable as those texts are in fact available online.  One would just have to compile them in a single database and line them up, applying the proper software to do so.  I could probably pull it off without too much difficulty, as I'm both a software developer and have strong knowledge of Greek, Latin, and even a passing knowledge of Biblical Hebrew.  There's a bit of a challenge with the Hebrew in that Hebrew reads from right to left, but it's still workable if the reader knows that.

    Perhaps over my Christmas break, I'll see if I can get the structure set up ... database, website to display it, and perhaps a way to start entering text.
    We might even end up friends. Imagine that.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #10 on: December 18, 2022, 08:17:55 PM »
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  • App available online:

    https://www.apostolicbible.com/ABPA.htm

    It's not bad, but missing the Latin and Hebrew.

    I actually started work at one point on the software to compile inter-linears with popups / tooltips that have the dictionary entries to prevent having to look up each word in a dictionary.  When I was in High School, to me the greatest impediment to fluency in Latin was having to flip back and forth between the text and a dictionary.  So I started writing software that would have the text that you could "mouse over" and see a popup of the translation and then click on the word to bring up a full dictionary translation.  Would have been nice to also add other languages besides English.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #11 on: December 18, 2022, 08:18:54 PM »
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  • I think accommodation should be made for annotation, not only for the understanding of single words, but to highlight the falsifications born of heresy.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #12 on: December 18, 2022, 08:22:15 PM »
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  • We might even end up friends. Imagine that.

    LOL.  Hey, despite all our arguing and faults, when the smoke settles, we have far more in common than might appear, and it's always the differences that are exaggerated.

    I've always regretted that I couldn't do more for the glory of God with my education / background in the classical languages.  Perhaps by undertaking this work, I could make some contribution to God's glory.

    I want to develop that the database structures here that could accommodate / map any number of languages / translations, along with commentary and notes.  Once the structures are in place, it would just become a data entry exercise.  And it's possible that could be automated a little bit also, creating a program that would ingest the texts and allow the user to just "map" them using some drag and drop interface.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #13 on: December 18, 2022, 08:32:22 PM »
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  • Data entry?

    I would assume that script(s) could be written to do all that with software. In other words, "process" various files and have the computer do the work, or most of it.
    If these books didn't exist in digital form, then YES the only option would be long, slow, tedious manual data entry of every word of the Bible in each language.

    But texts DO exist, so that should make our job easier, I think.

    Even if we only have PDF (i.e., no plain text file), there are utilities to extract all the text from a PDF into a TXT file.
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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #14 on: December 18, 2022, 09:17:18 PM »
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  • Decades having passed since I first used OCR, I remain unimpressed with what has been available to me. e.g., Adobe Acrobat Pro.  In this day of the panopticon I have to believe better software is available.

    For this project to honor God, we must aim for perfection. Certainly the enemies of God would seize on even the most minute error to discredit the site.