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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2022, 07:22:22 AM »
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  • LOL.  Hey, despite all our arguing and faults, when the smoke settles, we have far more in common than might appear, and it's always the differences that are exaggerated.

    I've always regretted that I couldn't do more for the glory of God with my education / background in the classical languages.  Perhaps by undertaking this work, I could make some contribution to God's glory.

    I want to develop that the database structures here that could accommodate / map any number of languages / translations, along with commentary and notes.  Once the structures are in place, it would just become a data entry exercise.  And it's possible that could be automated a little bit also, creating a program that would ingest the texts and allow the user to just "map" them using some drag and drop interface.

    This has a ton of potential, and would be a great resource. God be with you in this if you get it going. 

    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #16 on: December 19, 2022, 07:24:38 AM »
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  • It's probably easily doable as those texts are in fact available online.  One would just have to compile them in a single database and line them up, applying the proper software to do so.  I could probably pull it off without too much difficulty, as I'm both a software developer and have strong knowledge of Greek, Latin, and even a passing knowledge of Biblical Hebrew.  There's a bit of a challenge with the Hebrew in that Hebrew reads from right to left, but it's still workable if the reader knows that.

    Perhaps over my Christmas break, I'll see if I can get the structure set up ... database, website to display it, and perhaps a way to start entering text.

    Don't worry about the Hebrew - only worry about that down the road if you want to become all-inclusive and thorough. The key is the Greek (Septuagint, NT) and the Latin (Vulgate), with, as Mark said, the Douay Rheims annotations, and Haydock as well. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #17 on: December 19, 2022, 07:25:01 AM »
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  • Don't worry about the Hebrew - only worry about that down the road if you want to become all-inclusive and thorough. The key is the Greek (Septuagint, NT) and the Latin (Vulgate), with, as Mark said, the original Douay Rheims annotations, and Haydock as well.
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #18 on: December 19, 2022, 11:41:33 AM »
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  • Here's a wonderful resource that accomplishes a lot of what you're looking for:

    www.stepbible.org

    You can choose interlinear or side by side texts. It has a whole host of manuscripts. There's at least 5 latin vulgates a multitude of greek manuscripts to choose from, septuagints, hebrew syriac etc. At a glance I only saw a 1752 douay-rheims. Some of the greek manuscripts are tagged so when you click on a word it'll provide a brief definition and and parse it as well depending on which dictionary is active/available.

    It seems modular so someone could add other douay-rheims texts or catholic commentaries like A Lapide.

    There's also a desktop app. I'm not the best with technology so it probably does a whole bunch of other neat stuff as well haha.

    There are other protestant Bible websites / apps that do similar things but this is the best one I've yet found. God save those poor protestants.

    Hopefully this will make for some joyful scripture study during the Christmas season.

    Please pray for me a sinner!



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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #19 on: December 19, 2022, 11:53:16 AM »
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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #20 on: December 19, 2022, 01:50:38 PM »
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  • Here's a wonderful resource that accomplishes a lot of what you're looking for:

    www.stepbible.org

    You can choose interlinear or side by side texts. It has a whole host of manuscripts. There's at least 5 latin vulgates a multitude of greek manuscripts to choose from, septuagints, hebrew syriac etc. At a glance I only saw a 1752 douay-rheims. Some of the greek manuscripts are tagged so when you click on a word it'll provide a brief definition and and parse it as well depending on which dictionary is active/available.

    It seems modular so someone could add other douay-rheims texts or catholic commentaries like A Lapide.

    There's also a desktop app. I'm not the best with technology so it probably does a whole bunch of other neat stuff as well haha.

    There are other protestant Bible websites / apps that do similar things but this is the best one I've yet found. God save those poor protestants.

    Hopefully this will make for some joyful scripture study during the Christmas season.

    Please pray for me a sinner!

    Yep.  This will get you what you need.  End of project.

    Initially I saw that it wasn't quite interlinear (in the true sense), but all you have to do is to "mouse over" a particular word, and it'll highlight the equivalent word in the other languages, so it's effectively an interliear.

    Alas, the commentaries are garbage ... almost exclusivel heretical Protestant junk.  But this is a pretty solid resource otherwise if you're OK with picking up a Catholic commentary on the side.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #21 on: December 19, 2022, 01:56:37 PM »
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  • Yep.  This will get you what you need.  End of project.

    Initially I saw that it wasn't quite interlinear (in the true sense), but all you have to do is to "mouse over" a particular word, and it'll highlight the equivalent word in the other languages, so it's effectively an interliear.

    Alas, the commentaries are garbage ... almost exclusivel heretical Protestant junk.  But this is a pretty solid resource otherwise if you're OK with picking up a Catholic commentary on the side.

    Well, suddenly the mouse-over interlinear isn't really working when I added some extra texts.  Maybe just a bug.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #22 on: December 19, 2022, 02:22:34 PM »
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  • Here's a wonderful resource that accomplishes a lot of what you're looking for:

    www.stepbible.org

    You can choose interlinear or side by side texts. It has a whole host of manuscripts. There's at least 5 latin vulgates a multitude of greek manuscripts to choose from, septuagints, hebrew syriac etc. At a glance I only saw a 1752 douay-rheims. Some of the greek manuscripts are tagged so when you click on a word it'll provide a brief definition and and parse it as well depending on which dictionary is active/available.

    It seems modular so someone could add other douay-rheims texts or catholic commentaries like A Lapide.

    There's also a desktop app. I'm not the best with technology so it probably does a whole bunch of other neat stuff as well haha.

    There are other protestant Bible websites / apps that do similar things but this is the best one I've yet found. God save those poor protestants.

    Hopefully this will make for some joyful scripture study during the Christmas season.

    Please pray for me a sinner!

    Great resource. Thanks. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #23 on: December 19, 2022, 03:23:26 PM »
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  • Great resource. Thanks.


    I can't get the quasi-interlinear stuff woking like I thought it was in the beginning.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #24 on: December 19, 2022, 03:28:08 PM »
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  • I can't get the quasi-interlinear stuff woking like I thought it was in the beginning.

    After you pick your translations be sure to click the "ok" button at the bottom. 
    Rom. 3:25 Whom God hath proposed to be a propitiation, through faith in his blood, to the shewing of his justice, for the remission of former sins" 

    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #25 on: December 19, 2022, 04:09:32 PM »
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  • After you pick your translations be sure to click the "ok" button at the bottom.

    Yeah, I did that.  Just it seems as though depending which language(s) you select or don't select, the iterlinear either works or doesn't.


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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #26 on: December 19, 2022, 04:28:26 PM »
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  • When it's time to address the Hebrew, a former parishioner from California has a degree in Biblical Hebrew from UC Berkeley.  I could probably find her.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #27 on: December 19, 2022, 05:08:36 PM »
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  • I know someone fluent in Aramaic, ancient Syriac and Hebrew. PM me if interested

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #28 on: December 19, 2022, 08:11:22 PM »
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  • I know someone fluent in Aramaic, ancient Syriac and Hebrew. PM me if interested
    When the project gets to the point of debunking the Masoretic Texts that will be helpful.  The Syriac Peshitta Bible agrees with the Septuagint and debunks the Masoretic fraud.

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    Re: floating a proposal • an online Catholic interlinear
    « Reply #29 on: December 20, 2022, 01:48:31 AM »
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  • So the behavior of this step bible seems a bit different now than when I first used it, and does not actually appear to be interlinear.  It just appears to look for similar words on the same page and highlights them.