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Offline Sophitiateresia4

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« on: July 15, 2018, 08:01:28 PM »
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  • Hello! I am newly committed to being here after a long, disastrous foray into fisheaters. I found the site confusing, mean and downright heretical. It had an odd mix of all catholic women are guilty for modern society kind of woman hating traditionalism and then super liberal 'live and let live' thinking about obvious doctrinal issues. Lots of bullying and ganging up on the 'right' kind of profile but not others who were also wrong. 

    Democratic political thinking about a lot of stuff but then also super traditional about certain topics. I couldn't understand it. There were very nice people on it but most were pretty vicious. Lots of picking and choosing about what articles of faith were to be followed or not.

    And then the 'you can't tell me that what I'm doing is not Catholic's kind of thinking you would expect from Catholic answers. I didn't like debating, being an emotional woman, and retreated to a more peaceful section but they hounded even the most innocent topics until you felt that you couldn't say anything positive about women or say that men have problems too without a reminder of 'no, you're all monsters' kind of undertone. Constantly, constantly licking the boots of the male side and saying, 'yes, we're so very horrible'. And, this to Catholic women! 

    My question is why are they such strange hybrids of tradition and modernism? What do you think about where this heavy undertone of woman hating comes from? 

    You seem to be a more traditional, kinder forum so I think I will stay here instead. I think I'm going to be banned sooner or later anyway, by the looks of it.

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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 09:32:05 AM »
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  • Never mind, can I delete this? It's fine with me if it gets deleted.


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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #2 on: July 16, 2018, 01:35:28 PM »
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  • Not sure why you would want to delete it, FE always was always tilted to the side of the liberals, then about 8 or 10 years ago, the site went from liberal to all out scandalous. Best to stay away from there completely, as was said in the Song of Bernadette: "it's full of infection and disease".
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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #3 on: July 16, 2018, 03:20:22 PM »
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  • Oh just because it feels a bit like a useless complaint post. I expect nobody really knows why there is a problem there.

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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #4 on: July 16, 2018, 05:08:21 PM »
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  • My question is why are they such strange hybrids of tradition and modernism? What do you think about where this heavy undertone of woman hating comes from?
    Years ago when I was a member at FE, there was more of a problem with feminism than with woman-hating.  It only takes one or two highly vocal members taking a position for it to "flavour" a whole forum.  If you had come to Cathinfo a few weeks ago, you would have seen plenty of woman-hating posts, but the poster responsible for them was banned.  

    Almost any trad forum is going to have  many people who consider themselves trads while disagreeing with each other exactly what that means.  Depending on who is posting and how much, one has a different impression of the forum.

    Just to get an idea of how broadly "traditionalist Catholic" is used, look at this Wikipedia article:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Catholicism


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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 11:36:25 AM »
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  • Fisheaters used to be a central hub where Catholics would meet online.  Then it turned into a gay sewing circle, driving away a lot of people and actually banning other normies.  

    A lot of us were there once, posting regularly and contributing content.  Not so anymore.  
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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 12:22:31 PM »
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  • I went over to take a look at what was going on at Fisheaters to provoke this thread and found this thread: https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=82645

    I am reasonably sure that Sophitiateresia4 is the Cecelia9 who started a thread "Calling all women" for complaining about men.  The opening lines were:

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    Is anyone else sick of being made out to be the scapegoat for the evils of society? Sure, we're nice - we acknowledge that things are hard for men and it is very difficult to be virtuously masculine in this society, but we just get insults back. Well, I'm pretty sick of it. This isn't just recently but seems to be a trend with a lot of traditional Catholic guys. Snide jokes, memes, insinuations etc.

    It's not Catholic, saintly or holy and quite frankly looks childish. The feminine psyche is beautiful and the male pysche is great too but nobody feels that way. Apparently, we're all dirt - even good Catholic girls.

    So, it's your turn, ladies! How do you think men have contributed to the ills of modern society? How do modern men affect YOU?

    Those of us familiar with Fisheaters are aware of various problems there, but in this instance I think the problem is the OP.  I know of one prominent poster on FE with a tendency to be harsh and negative about women.  This is not sufficient to decide that there is a general problem with traditional Catholic men.



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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 12:35:56 PM »
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  • Fisheaters used to be a central hub where Catholics would meet online.  Then it turned into a pro-feminismtrans and gay sewing circle, driving away a lot of people and actually banning other normies.  

    A lot of us were there once, posting regularly and contributing content.  Not so anymore.  
    (Fixed it for you)
    There are a few unconfused trads there; they are in the minority, though.  Traffic is considerably down from a few years ago, also.


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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 01:00:58 PM »
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  • That's not me actually, but thank you for snooping out my identity. I wouldn't have had the guts to make that post haha. She's probably giving birth right now. I read that post and it wasn't a complaining about men thing. It was asking other women about their perspectives on how modern men and traditional men could improve. It was pretty emotional because other women joined in who were frustrated and it blew up pretty quickly. The men's forum started a similar post about women a couple of times I think. I didn't participate because I don't like fighting, but I agreed with her secretly. I mean, it is kind of a trend in blogs and other places. 

    You seem really defensive of men but not of women. Why is that? What's wrong with acknowledging problems? 

    Again, I really don't want a fight. 


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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 01:22:55 PM »
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  • If we can't discuss uncomfortable issues openly and without accusations, there really is not much hope for improving ourselves. If this really fireballs into a fight then I really might despair of a virtuous Catholic society.

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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 01:26:48 PM »
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  • Can someone delete that account? I must have made it by mistake a long time ago and I keep logging onto it accidentally.


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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 01:54:28 PM »
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  • That's not me actually, but thank you for snooping out my identity. 
    If you wanted a fresh start on Cathinfo without reference to events on Fisheaters, then starting a thread about your experiences on Fisheaters was a bad idea.

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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 02:23:01 PM »
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  • Um, that's not me, really. Just because I agreed with her. Okay, I guess this place isn't really friendly either. Well take the post down then. It's not worth it to me really. Again, really disappointing. I'll finish a conversation over at the women's and then ask Mathew to delete my accounts. No need for the witch hunt. 

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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #13 on: July 17, 2018, 04:55:01 PM »
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  • If you wanted a fresh start on Cathinfo without reference to events on Fisheaters, then starting a thread about your experiences on Fisheaters was a bad idea.
    Being unfriendly to newcomers is uncharitable. In all fairness, who would expect that someone (with too much time on his or her hands) would go to the trouble to go over to FE to attempt to "expose" someone's identity? bty Jaynek, you consistently support males who are unfairly generalizing about and bashing females. What's up with that?
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    Re: Fisheaters
    « Reply #14 on: July 17, 2018, 06:00:55 PM »
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  • You are gonna run into a few men here like that, but on whole the men here have really kind views toward women.

     

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