Catholic Info
Traditional Catholic Faith => Computers, Technology, Websites => Topic started by: Matthew on August 02, 2022, 08:02:55 PM
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Apparently the forum AND the website itself are down, and have been down for about a week.
Wow! I'm surprised no one posted that news yet. I just heard about it today.
Yes, the forum is completely washed-up (most of the old members have moved on to other fora, including CI and SD), with very little *traffic* these days. Most of the huge pile of posts, and most of the member database, is from its "glory days" which are far in the past at this point.
But as so many people have said in the past, "The forum is crap, but the website has a lot of good information about Traditional Catholicism."
What happened to it?
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Apparently the forum AND the website itself are down, and have been down for about a week.
Wow! I'm surprised no one posted that news yet. I just heard about it today.
Yes, the forum is completely washed-up (most of the old members have moved on to other fora, including CI and SD), with very little *traffic* these days. Most of the huge pile of posts, and most of the member database, is from its "glory days" which are far in the past at this point.
But as so many people have said in the past, "The forum is crap, but the website has a lot of good information about Traditional Catholicism."
What happened to it?
Maybe Vox decided to finally pull the plug? I know on and off she would go through phases of considering it, given that she's getting up there in age.
Edit: Apparently it was an SQL error which took down the site and nuked the server. She said the forum data's gone.
https://twitter.com/FishEaters/status/1554202611578015745
2nd Edit: It might be a blessing in disguise, honestly. It sounds like the "good" portion (i.e. the site itself) is saved. Maybe she will ultimately decide against restoring the forums?
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D***! I was corresponding with someone on that forum through the private messaging system, and I can’t find her anywhere else online. If she’s here, she’ll recognize my username and poetry. (If you are this person, please PM me.)
I wonder if that SQL error came from some kind of electronic attack against the site. It only happened a month after the Supreme Court decision on abortion, and I know there have been attacks against pro-life people since then…
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I hope the Main site comes back; it is a good source of information.
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I hope the Main site comes back; it is a good source of information.
It's a shame that such information couldn't be put up on another website. I doubt there was anything unique; Tracy is not a priest, much less a theologian. If she DID personally write anything, then any layman could do just as well. She has no seminary training, theology degree, Sacred Orders, etc.
It's just a shame that we (the Trad world) have to continue to rely on a divorcee, transsɛҳuąƖ-supporting liberal Catholic for one of our main sources of information about Traditional Catholicism.
Isn't there a single man out there with tons of time on his hands, who could rise to the occasion?
God obviously doesn't expect the impossible. If you are poor, God doesn't expect large monetary donations. If you are trying to raise a Catholic family in 2022, you probably don't have a lot of time either. But for the single? I bet there are a lot of single guys out there, who don't know what to do with themselves; who are wasting their time on movies, video games, secular forums and other time-wasters -- with the excuse of course that "God hasn't sent me a suitable spouse yet!" Maybe if you were doing more with your life, you'd attract that unicorn you seek.
Each of us knows what we bring to the table, if anything. Some have health, some have youth, some have wealth, some have time, some have charisma, some have training, some have experience, some have various talents. God will expect a full account of ALL such assets He has given you. Use them wisely.
Frankly, with every year that passes after 2005, it becomes more of a source of shame for Traddieland in general that no MAN has put together a website to replace Fisheaters as the website to research Traditional Catholicism. (Of course, I and others have done the job of replacing the forum pretty thoroughly.) Women should be silent in church. If they wish to know anything, they should ask their husbands (or fathers) at home. That's not my opinion, that's St. Paul the Apostle talking. It's a shame for a woman to lead a Traditional Catholic forum with male and female members. If it were a breastfeeding or pregnancy forum, with all female members, then fine. But Catholic doctrine is quite clear about the unnaturalness of women having authority over men. It's completely against the natural order.
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It's just a shame that we (the Trad world) have to continue to rely on a divorcee, transsɛҳuąƖ-supporting liberal Catholic for one of our main sources of information about Traditional Catholicism.
The latter, and support for/toleration of the occult, was the main reason why I left. But I was unaware of the former. :confused:
Isn't there a single man out there with tons of time on his hands, who could rise to the occasion?
Hey, I would be willing to try if I were a single man. But putting together an extensive site on traditional Catholicism, as a family man, is a Samsonian endeavor compared to just posting on the forum each day. :laugh1:
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The latter, and support for/toleration of the occult, was the main reason why I left. But I was unaware of the former. :confused:
Hey, I would be willing to try if I were a single man. But putting together an extensive site on traditional Catholicism, as a family man, is a Samsonian endeavor compared to just posting on the forum each day. :laugh1:
It was quite big news at the time. It's not so much the fact of being divorced that's the issue. It's what you do after that that's the problem. She was living with one of the guys on her forum "QuisUtDeus" for a time. He was a technical guy who helped move her forum several times. It was the first of many scandals which caused an exodus from the forum. Her later supporting a transsɛҳuąƖ was a different, additional scandal that resonated with a different group, and caused another group to leave.
I'm pretty sure there are still threads about it on CathInfo from that time period; I think it was about 2007-2008.
Ah, here it is:
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/fisheaters-insanity/
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As far as info goes, what's on fisheaters that can't be put on this site? I'll help. We don't need to re-create the wheel...
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It was quite big news at the time. It's not so much the fact of being divorced that's the issue. It's what you do after that that's the problem. She was living with one of the guys on her forum "QuisUtDeus" for a time. He was a technical guy who helped move her forum several times. It was the first of many scandals which caused an exodus from the forum. Her later supporting a transsɛҳuąƖ was a different, additional scandal that resonated with a different group, and caused another group to leave.
I'm pretty sure there are still threads about it on CathInfo from that time period; I think it was about 2007-2008.
Ah, here it is:
https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/fisheaters-insanity/
Thank you. Someone dug up the old corpse of the tranny scandal back in 2021 when I decided to leave after arguing with people on there who were defending NO conservatives as "good traditional Catholics" who were advocating for hermeticism and the occult (a rabbit hole I even fell into for a time). And then I found out one of the active users was a tranny, and was defended by Tracy, and that was the final nail for me.
But, old scandals aren't worth discussing here. I'll just browse that thread when I get the chance.
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Edit: Apparently it was an SQL error which took down the site and nuked the server. She said the forum data's gone.
Wow ... they didn't take/keep backups?
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Wow ... they didn't take/keep backups?
Sure sounds like it. I think it's for the best. It buries all the heresy and wickedness that can be found in that place. Let's hope it stays dead.
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Frankly, with every year that passes after 2005, it becomes more of a source of shame for Traddieland in general that no MAN has put together a website to replace Fisheaters as the website to research Traditional Catholicism.
I'm working on something like this, but my time is limited. That's part of the reason I've cut back here. If anyone has an interest in this, PM me. It's based on Mediawiki, so it should be pretty accessible.
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Sure sounds like it. I think it's for the best. It buries all the heresy and wickedness that can be found in that place. Let's hope it stays dead.
I honestly know nothing about it. I never went there deliberately, but just perhaps once or twice following a link.
I spend all my forum/online time here on CI. I did some time ago spend some time at Catholic Answers, but I never lasted more than a week before getting banned. :laugh1:
Oh, and that's another thing about when people call me out for posting here too much. Many of the same critics are all over the place on different forums, to where if you added it all up, they would far exceed my own output.
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I hope the Main site comes back; it is a good source of information.
Hey, I would be willing to try if I were a single man. But putting together an extensive site on traditional Catholicism, as a family man, is a Samsonian endeavor compared to just posting on the forum each day. :laugh1:
If you're looking for traditional Catholic truth, minus discussion, you can't ask for better than
http://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/
It provides a wealth of instructions and devotions it would take a lifetime to put into practice.
Don't know who runs it but they must have access to a vast ancient library.
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But, old scandals aren't worth discussing here. I'll just browse that thread when I get the chance.
I just want to make a small comment here --
Yes, the scandal was many years ago. But let me tell you a parable.
A Hollywood actress divorced her husband and got remarried twice. Each time, the new husband ended up leaving, simply going the way of all flesh, due to human weakness, emotions, immaturity, lack of self control, etc. In the end, she ended up "single" again. Note that she never made any pronouncement or retraction for her scandalous life (in getting remarried multiple times while her spouse was still living).
Would this actress be "right with God", just because she happens to be single now? Or is it not that simple? The answer, clearly, is B. She only broke up with her 2 "extra" husbands for human reasons, because those marriages weren't any stronger than her original one. Her relationships were taken from her, and/or they fell apart of their own accord. At no point did she give them up voluntarily for God's sake, convert, or "get right with God" in general.
In other words, any job where it was required to have a "decent life" would still exclude this hypothetical thrice-divorced actress, EVEN THOUGH she is not currently "living in sin" with anyone in particular. She still committed public sin and never repented. She would still have that extremely blemished reputation, and for good reason.
It remains to be seen what Tracy has planned with the GoFundMe and what not. Will the forum come back in some form? It's definitely too soon to say it won't. But either way, the fact is, Tracy is still a "figure" or "known player" in the Trad community, and it's an issue that she's so liberal with regards to Catholic morality. That is a serious issue on account of the influence she has. Especially when moderating a discussion forum, when many topics including Catholic morality (and our attitude towards the modern world) is often discussed.
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As far as info goes, what's on fisheaters that can't be put on this site? I'll help. We don't need to re-create the wheel...
I don't even know what kind of volume of information we're talking about. I'm probably the wrong one to ask, because -- through no virtue of my own, I simply never needed online Trad Catholic resources to re-educate, re-discover, or bolster knowledge of the Catholic Faith. I was born into it. It was all God's grace, but it doesn't change the fact I never panted after the fabled Fisheaters "main site" resources as the hart panteth after the fountains of water.
So I couldn't tell you how many pages, what they are about, and how many were personally written/edited by Tracy herself. She might have spent some considerable time on it; I don't know. Others could probably give better details than I.
I would point out that taking content SHE wrote and posting it on your own site would basically be stealing. I wouldn't advise that. But famous prayers, Church docuмents, papal quotes, etc. could be copy-pasted, as those weren't created by her. You would just have to replace ANY and ALL commentary with your own.
BUT AGAIN: if Tracy could do it, then MANY OTHER PEOPLE COULD AS WELL. She wasn't particularly well-trained in the Faith, at least compared to many Trads, when she wrote them. She has no formal theology/philosophy training, no seminary training, etc. If it just requires a housewife with lots of free time, aren't there any others like that? Is Tracy the only one in all of traddiedom? Really?
Of course I'll tell you this: the static "information" pages of Fisheaters.com, besides being on Tracy's PC, are also in Archive.org (the WayBack machine) so those are almost certainly safe. It's the forum that can't be archived by an archiver -- it's not just plain text pages. Archive.org, or any web crawler, can't just download and back up your whole MySQL database :)
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I honestly know nothing about it. I never went there deliberately, but just perhaps once or twice following a link.
I spend all my forum/online time here on CI. I did some time ago spend some time at Catholic Answers, but I never lasted more than a week before getting banned. :laugh1:
Ha. Before finding CathInfo, I was a member in both places and was banned in both places. :laugh1:
There was a rare time when I also googled for something and a Fisheaters link came up. I might check it out, but I never used it. Quite honestly, I think many people can do just fine finding good Catholic material WITHOUT Fisheaters. I know I did.
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Prepare for sodomite refugees seeking attention and affirmation of their sin.
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Prepare for sodomite refugees seeking attention and affirmation of their sin.
I don't doubt that a few such individuals exist -- but I know that they won't get far.
This isn't a liberal Catholic forum.
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“Liberal Catholic” is a contradiction in terms. If someone is Catholic, he isn’t liberal; if someone is liberal, he isn’t Catholic, no matter what he claims.
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It's a shame that such information couldn't be put up on another website. I doubt there was anything unique; Tracy is not a priest, much less a theologian. If she DID personally write anything, then any layman could do just as well. She has no seminary training, theology degree, Sacred Orders, etc.
She was writing Catholic information and putting it on her website? Or just uploading books by others? Obviously she shouldn't be writing any theological content of her own, and nobody should read such material either. :facepalm:
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“Liberal Catholic” is a contradiction in terms. If someone is Catholic, he isn’t liberal; if someone is liberal, he isn’t Catholic, no matter what he claims.
I consider that goes without saying. They consider themselves Catholic, but that doesn't make it true. There ARE objective minimum criteria for being a Scotsman, as it were. So it's not some kind of fallacy.
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I don't doubt that a few such individuals exist -- but I know that they won't get far.
This isn't a liberal Catholic forum.
That’s why I am here. A lot of the info was helpful to me when I was beginning my conversation, but the forum was the strangest.
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FishEaters Forum (only lurked) did have one gem. Did because the poster actually died; Tim. He actually lived before the Council and told stories about it from what I remember. The rest of the website and the owner is... suspect. Seems to be easier to get banned from there than anywhere else.
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FishEaters Forum (only lurked) did have one gem. Did because the poster actually died; Tim. He actually lived before the Council and told stories about it from what I remember. The rest of the website and the owner is... suspect. Seems to be easier to get banned from there than anywhere else.
Well, CathInfo has/had a few gems as well. Men and women who lived before the Council aren't down to the single digits yet or anything.