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what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.  

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

Yeah, its a pretty sad sight when 'trads' are arguing for breastfeeding in the middle of Mass.  I guess a let-it-all-hang-out attitude prevails among young traddom.

But what a joke. Having your children raised by strangers so you can enjoy material goods more is Catholic? Heaven forbid these women sacrifice to do whats best for their children.   I dont have much hope that even trads will be able to hold back the revolution if our younger generation ends up like that.

There was recently an article on Cathinfo about teenagers and young adults becoming fake Christians, well I have say that we see the same thing with fake Trads. There are a fair amount of people on the internet (including the Remnant sadly, who called the push for the Latin Mass, part of an "international youth movement", OK ), who like to boast about the number of young people at TLMs, but I'm somewhat skeptical. I think many have a mere preference for the TLM or attend it for mere sentimental reasons. They don't really want their hearts and minds changed (metanoeo), they want their relativist, liberal, and worldly assumptions and presuppositions baptized.

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I completely agree with you, and I am glad that others are starting to see it.  

Yeah, its a pretty sad sight when 'trads' are arguing for breastfeeding in the middle of Mass.  I guess a let-it-all-hang-out attitude prevails among young traddom.


I think the image of your statement is burned into my brain, and it's not a pretty thought.  There's a lot of truth to the saying, ignorance is bliss.  The idea of women condoning breast feeding during Mass, is anything but blissful.

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.  

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

Yeah, its a pretty sad sight when 'trads' are arguing for breastfeeding in the middle of Mass.  I guess a let-it-all-hang-out attitude prevails among young traddom.

But what a joke. Having your children raised by strangers so you can enjoy material goods more is Catholic? Heaven forbid these women sacrifice to do whats best for their children.   I dont have much hope that even trads will be able to hold back the revolution if our younger generation ends up like that.

There was recently an article on Cathinfo about teenagers and young adults becoming fake Christians, well I have say that we see the same thing with fake Trads. There are a fair amount of people on the internet (including the Remnant sadly, who called the push for the Latin Mass, part of an "international youth movement", OK ), who like to boast about the number of young people at TLMs, but I'm somewhat skeptical. I think many have a mere preference for the TLM or attend it for mere sentimental reasons. They don't really want their hearts and minds changed (metanoeo), they want their relativist, liberal, and worldly assumptions and presuppositions baptized.

I think this is a pretty pessimistic point of view.  Many of the families at my diocesan TLM travel an hour or more to get there and are very committed to tradition and raising their kids in it.

I am watching the teens and young adults from these families and they are dedicated to tradition.  I am seeing vocations to traditional orders (No NO vocations).  They are going to traditional colleges like St. Thomas Aquinas (do I have the name right?) in California or Christendom College.  They are going to the Catholic schools to teach and take their orthodoxy with them.

They will be the ones who help rebuild the Catholic culture.

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.  

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

I was reading on another forum where there was a discussion on how many "Trads" dont stand by the dogma of No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church (EENS). Most of these "Trads" they were referring to were FE members (without naming names of course).

You cannot be a Traditionalist and believe there is salvation outside the Catholic religion. It's the main dogma that determines weather you're a Traditionalist or a modernist/heretic.

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.  

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

I was reading on another forum where there was a discussion on how many "Trads" dont stand by the dogma of No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church (EENS). Most of these "Trads" they were referring to were FE members (without naming names of course).

You cannot be a Traditionalist and believe there is salvation outside the Catholic religion. It's the main dogma that determines weather you're a Traditionalist or a modernist/heretic.

Just for clarification, are you saying one has to be a full on Feenyite?  I side with the SSPX on that question, so to some of the sedes here I'd be the heretic.

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Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.  

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

I was reading on another forum where there was a discussion on how many "Trads" dont stand by the dogma of No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church (EENS). Most of these "Trads" they were referring to were FE members (without naming names of course).

You cannot be a Traditionalist and believe there is salvation outside the Catholic religion. It's the main dogma that determines weather you're a Traditionalist or a modernist/heretic.

Just for clarification, are you saying one has to be a full on Feenyite?  I side with the SSPX on that question, so to some of the sedes here I'd be the heretic.

Im not even getting that deep into the issue. What Im talking about concerns practicing protestants etc. continuing in their false religion.

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Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Quote from: Robert de Brus

Quote from: Belloc

what happened?

The FE feminists took it personally that I defended the traditional position on women in the military, ie there is no good reason for them to serve, short of Joan of Arc, an example they used to justify women going butch GI Jane.  

Yes, instead of using the exception to prove the rule they hold out exceptions as the rule.

Libs use the same tactic to argue against any abortion restrictions based on rare exceptional cases like rape/incest.

Here, one historical anomaly justifies turning it into a rule.

Another used an exception, a Catholic Queen of Spain, as a justification that women working full time and having their kids raised by nannies was, if not the Catholic ideal, just as good an option as staying home.

It hurts my brain to think like these people.

Yeah, its a pretty sad sight when 'trads' are arguing for breastfeeding in the middle of Mass.  I guess a let-it-all-hang-out attitude prevails among young traddom.

But what a joke. Having your children raised by strangers so you can enjoy material goods more is Catholic? Heaven forbid these women sacrifice to do whats best for their children.   I dont have much hope that even trads will be able to hold back the revolution if our younger generation ends up like that.

There was recently an article on Cathinfo about teenagers and young adults becoming fake Christians, well I have say that we see the same thing with fake Trads. There are a fair amount of people on the internet (including the Remnant sadly, who called the push for the Latin Mass, part of an "international youth movement", OK ), who like to boast about the number of young people at TLMs, but I'm somewhat skeptical. I think many have a mere preference for the TLM or attend it for mere sentimental reasons. They don't really want their hearts and minds changed (metanoeo), they want their relativist, liberal, and worldly assumptions and presuppositions baptized.

I think this is a pretty pessimistic point of view.  Many of the families at my diocesan TLM travel an hour or more to get there and are very committed to tradition and raising their kids in it.

Well I'm glad to here that; I now that there are many decent, holy, and pious Trad families, though there are some lukewarm ones as well. However, I'm not necessarily talking about families, but those who are either new to the TLM and Traditional Catholicism, or those who had some contact with Traditional Catholicism before they were young adults, fell away and became liberalized for a time, and then "came back." I don't think I'm pessimistic, just realistic. BTW, Welcome to the Forum.

I am watching the teens and young adults from these families and they are dedicated to tradition.  I am seeing vocations to traditional orders (No NO vocations).  They are going to traditional colleges like St. Thomas Aquinas (do I have the name right?) in California or Christendom College.  They are going to the Catholic schools to teach and take their orthodoxy with them.

Yes, I know that there are some Traditional Catholics at these schools, and that their seminaries are doing fairly well. I'm not saying that true growth is a bad thing. However, we must not put our faith in such numbers or be like "Church growth" Evangelicals and believe that Tradition is organically growing on the basis of such things. A close friend of the editors of Integrity, as well as Dorothy Day,  Fr. John Hugo put it this way when people of spoke of the growing "success" of the Church in the post WWII era:
"It is customary for some to take a rosy view of that condition, basing their optimism on tables of statistics concerning the growth of the Catholic population, the income and resources of the Church, the number of communions, etc. But such a method of computation is very unreliable where spiritual realities are concerned. Were it of any value, we could compute the degree of religious fervor from the quantities of grease burnt in votive stands, and our optimism would soar to the very skies. It is quite by other standards that we must judge the spiritual condition of our people -- by their pursuit of holiness..."