Author Topic: FE Might Close - Or Jayne Might Become a Moderator There (Read 59722 times)

Devekut · « **Reply #330 on:** October 23, 2013, 01:39:52 PM »

Meg,
Do you have an account with Church Militant? If so, threaten to cancel it, along with your other friends if the employee doesn't allow Voris to read the email.

2Vermont · « **Reply #331 on:** October 23, 2013, 02:58:51 PM »

Quote from: Ursus

Quote from: icterus
Since the transsɛҳuąƖism issue is still ongoing at FE, I thought it was worth posting a question that I hadn't seen posed before.

Concerning the stance that FE has taken on transsɛҳuąƖs and sex-change surgery...

Do you think Vox understands that sex-change surgery does not produce a *functional* individual?

At this point who cares. Bottom line the tranny who started all that is almost running the place. Commenting, dishing out Catholic "teachings."

Any mention of transgender that's not supportive gets you banned. Devil works his deeds.

How many traditional or people leaning towards that will end up in sin? What a mess.

It should shut down. That was the all the talk last month.

It really is a joke to watch him wagging his finger over there.

Pheo · « **Reply #332 on:** October 23, 2013, 07:43:04 PM »

Quote from: Meg

It may be the case, too, where Vox was very persuasive - even some trads are fooled into thinking that her views on transgenderism can be reconciled with tradition.

Vox misrepresents quite a few of the important details. I may not be a brilliant theologian, but I do have a good memory and I watched all of this play out. She pretends that Impy got permission from trad priests to take estrogen and live as a woman. Well that's demonstrably false. But somehow she has a way of using those details and setting the story up in a way that turns people to her side. I'm not sure why they just take her word for it, but they do (I think another victim of the tank was right with his "herd" theory).

She's also in way over her head. She had a couple physicians and someone with a PhD in a related field pointing out where and why she was wrong...but that just didn't fit her narrative. So she ignored those posts.

Is she still letting Impy keep "Exivi" under his avatar? Or did she finally realize that his trans-triumphalistic motto didn't help the cause of Catholic tradition?

Petertherock · « **Reply #333 on:** October 23, 2013, 07:46:02 PM »

I am so glad I got banned from FE. That place is a cesspool.

Immaculata001 · « **Reply #334 on:** October 23, 2013, 10:58:28 PM »

Quote from: Petertherock

I am so glad I got banned from FE. That place is a cesspool.

I just cannot believe what Vox is stating over there.

She is now talking about "transɛҳuąƖs" having "female brain wiring" and male anatomy. She is saying that The Church maintains that the surgery is licit in cases where it can heal "the psychic trauma." She saying that "The Church heads science" as though Church teaching springs from or responds to scientific teaching. She's saying that "true" transɛҳuąƖs are intersexed. What is she even talking about?

Here is an amazing quote that grossly oversimplifies and distorts science:

Quote

All one has to do is to make scans of the brains of large populations of men and women and ask each person to self-identify as "male" or "female" and look at the results

She goes on to maintain that "transɛҳuąƖ" brains are more like the brains of the sex they want to become. What is she talking about? What types of scans? What areas of the brain? This is insane.

There is no evidence to support ANYTHING she is saying. NONE. She is deceiving people. This is outrageous.

Zeitun · « **Reply #335 on:** October 23, 2013, 11:29:02 PM »

If people believe a lie that they know contradicts the teachings of the Church they condemn themselves.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #336 on:** October 24, 2013, 12:07:19 AM »

Quote from: mikemac

The owner of the said forum was on the last ten minutes of this 'Forward Boldly' radio show, starting at about 47:30 minutes into the broadcast.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/forwardboldly/2013/10/13/forward-boldly-msgr-richard-soseman-and-kim-ketola

So, they spend a couple of minutes talking about how Tracy cracks down on anyone who is disrespectful to the Sacred Office of the Papacy. And then, about 20 seconds later, Tracy uses "Oh my God" as an interjection.

Blessed be the Name of the Lord

Devekut · « **Reply #337 on:** October 24, 2013, 02:21:06 AM »

Well, Vox just admitted that she hates "radtrads". It was to my understanding that she once welcomed and fully supported such labels. FE is most definitely a smells and bells cafeteria now.

"What's going in is that I am getting rid of the rad trads and have been for the past couple of years, making periodic purges of the place. I hate radtraddism. Am DONE with it. Don't want it here. And some folks left of their own accord after "Transgendergate." The folks filling their ranks are a much kinder, gentler lot, and that's exactly what I want. I want people here who know Jesus, not people who want to play ego games or judge souls or call folks heretics for disagreeing with them and all the other stuff rad trads are into. Can't stand it, man.

QuisUtDeus was my ex-husband by civil marriage. He dumped me and broke my heart around the "Lauragate" time. I think that while he had good intentions with the "Laura thing," he mishandled it badly.

Moving forward, you listed a number of great things I'd LOVE to do if I had the time and money. I recently posted a list of things I want to add to the site itself if I were to ever have the time to do it. You can see the list here: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3461535.0.html -- and in that same thread, you can read about some of the stuff you're talking about in this post. In fact, I think I will merge the threads after I know you've read this. Please post here so I'll know when that is."

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3461623.0.html

ggreg · « **Reply #338 on:** October 24, 2013, 07:27:04 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

Quote from: Ursus
Quote from: icterus
Since the transsɛҳuąƖism issue is still ongoing at FE, I thought it was worth posting a question that I hadn't seen posed before.

Concerning the stance that FE has taken on transsɛҳuąƖs and sex-change surgery...

Do you think Vox understands that sex-change surgery does not produce a *functional* individual?

At this point who cares. Bottom line the tranny who started all that is almost running the place. Commenting, dishing out Catholic "teachings."

Any mention of transgender that's not supportive gets you banned. Devil works his deeds.

How many traditional or people leaning towards that will end up in sin? What a mess.

It should shut down. That was the all the talk last month.

It really is a joke to watch him wagging his finger over there.

It's all he has left to wag.

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #339 on:** October 24, 2013, 08:04:11 AM »

Quote from: Devekut

Well, Vox just admitted that she hates "radtrads". It was to my understanding that she once welcomed and fully supported such labels. FE is most definitely a smells and bells cafeteria now.

"What's going in is that I am getting rid of the rad trads and have been for the past couple of years, making periodic purges of the place. I hate radtraddism. Am DONE with it. Don't want it here. And some folks left of their own accord after "Transgendergate." The folks filling their ranks are a much kinder, gentler lot, and that's exactly what I want. I want people here who know Jesus, not people who want to play ego games or judge souls or call folks heretics for disagreeing with them and all the other stuff rad trads are into. Can't stand it, man.

QuisUtDeus was my ex-husband by civil marriage. He dumped me and broke my heart around the "Lauragate" time. I think that while he had good intentions with the "Laura thing," he mishandled it badly.

Moving forward, you listed a number of great things I'd LOVE to do if I had the time and money. I recently posted a list of things I want to add to the site itself if I were to ever have the time to do it. You can see the list here: http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3461535.0.html -- and in that same thread, you can read about some of the stuff you're talking about in this post. In fact, I think I will merge the threads after I know you've read this. Please post here so I'll know when that is."

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3461623.0.html

A gaggle of effeminate men and liberal women*, all of who are more worried about "what they're currently listening to" or "what the last movie they saw was" rather than anything uniquely Catholic. For crying out loud, Vox doesn't even support the NEOsspx. She's thoroughly Novus Ordo/Indult. Whenever she appeals to "trad priests" it comes with some kind of disclaimer saying that he needs to be "in full communion with the Holy See." Which, of course, probably narrows it down to five priests worldwide. Her idea of traditional Catholicism, as has been made clear over the last several years, is based on the integration of traditionalism with modern values. That has to be it. No serious traditional Catholic goes to the courts to have their adultery civilly recognized, or lauds a perverted and predatory man for his "bravery" in announcing his disgusting perversion to the world (and then doing her best to protect him from the just backlash). I could keep going and going, but that site is dedicated to blurring the lines between tradition and modern, to try to convince that modern values are "traditional."

*Yes, there are a handful (maybe less?) of exceptions.

Matthew · « **Reply #340 on:** October 24, 2013, 08:05:06 AM »

Quote from: Meg

Quote from: Devekut
Meg,
I don't have his direct contact. It's a shame that even Voris has liberals in his organization. I wonder if he knows.

I got the impression that Voris' employee - who answers the emails - is quite young, and doesn't understand tradition very well. He said that he'd discussed the issue of transgenderism with Vox for several hours on the phone. Sheesh! It may be the case, too, where Vox was very persuasive - even some trads are fooled into thinking that her views on transgenderism can be reconciled with tradition.

I did, however, send the links to Vox's site where she proclaims that she loves drag queens, and which also shows her interest in studying medieval astrology, and using tarot and the I ching. Voris' employee said that he would ask her about this, since he was concerned about it. I haven't heard back since then. I think that Voris is astute enough to know a fake trad when he sees one - but his employee - not so much.

This is the ONLY reason it bothers me that Fisheaters is so "big". The fact that she is more likely (the only one likely?) to get interviewed by a media outlet, since she owns and runs Fisheaters.

Numbers are always a siren song for any "leader", whether it's the owner of a small Catholic forum, or the Superior General of an international pious union.

Numbers are kind of like money, actually. A person can want money to buy a functional car for their family of 10 -- or they can want something base and worldly like a vacation.

2Vermont · « **Reply #341 on:** October 26, 2013, 08:21:03 AM »

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3461656.msg33936201.html#msg33936201

So now she's "allowing" SV to be discussed on her forum. Too bad she's banned most of the folks who would actually like to discuss it.

Oh wait, this will be a great way to catch all those meanies and ban them all!

She decided to allow it after reading LH's post. If she follows his advice completely then only anti-SV posts are allowed!

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #342 on:** October 26, 2013, 08:43:47 AM »

I noticed something very interesting.

Here is a link to the stats (pageviews, new posts, new topics, new members, etc. on a monthly basis):

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?action=stats

What I'm really paying attention to is the column of new posts. You'll see that beginning in May of 2009, going all the way to March of 2013, FE was getting more than ten thousand (and averaging, at a cursory glance, probably fifteen thousand) new posts per month. There is one anomaly in that stretch of March 2012, though I think that can be explained easily by Lent.

After March of 2013, there is a marked decline (spanning seven months, until now) in new posts. Definitely not an anomaly, but a clear trend. What happened in March of 2013? Well, I know that's when I was banned. But that's when Francis was elected. Is that also when Impy "came out?" In any event, when April 2013 rolled around, FE was on a clear down trend and has continued thus.

Now, the actual page views have not suffered, though I think that can easily be owed to FE being discussed here often over the last six months.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #343 on:** October 26, 2013, 11:54:05 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont

http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php/topic,3461656.msg33936201.html#msg33936201

So now she's "allowing" SV to be discussed on her forum. Too bad she's banned most of the folks who would actually like to discuss it.

Oh wait, this will be a great way to catch all those meanies and ban them all!

She decided to allow it after reading LH's post. If she follows his advice completely then only anti-SV posts are allowed!

You should be happy about it. Now, the issues can be laid out on the table. If sedevacantism has nothing to fear in a debate forum, then you have nothing to worry about.

-L

2Vermont · « **Reply #344 on:** October 26, 2013, 12:07:55 PM »

Because allowing only anti SV posts is soooooo a debate.