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Gandalf wasn't really a Wizard proper, and the abilities he had and the means he used to achieve them were not witchcraft in the usual sense.  He was Istari, which basically means he was an angel delegated to earth by Iluvitar (sp?).  A guardian angel of sorts.  Tolkien had a rich Catholic sense that he filled Middle Earth with.

Tolkien  :gandalf: used to answer in Latin when the Novus Ordo in English made its debut, probably irritating the clueless people around him who had simply surrendered.

But to turn to the thread, I think that FE should exist but should be wary of closet modernists  :devil2: who play the trad game.

Quote from: Matthew

[...] I'd like to bring up something that's been bothering me. I'd like to honestly consider the charge that FE is liberal [...]

I mean, how can you make such a broad generalizations [...] ?

An odd post, Matthew, and not doing you any favours.

CI is a longshot from FE - keep it that way!

I am not ashamed of always carefully considering both sides of an argument, or wanting to hear/consider the other side of the story. If everyone would do that, there would be a lot less rumors, gossip, detraction, backbiting, and other sins of the tongue.

If you read my more recent post in the thread, I explained how I came to the conclusion that Vox is liberal. Remember, I did admit that plenty of liberals exist on FE. In fact, I've also stated that because of Vox's orientation, the liberal view dominates the forum. I just don't know what % of Fisheaters is actually liberal. Maybe some of them are clinging to whatever shreds of Catholicism are left there, like Novus Ordo Catholics do in the Conciliar church.

But I want to emphasize that I'm not just repeating a mantra, trying to win brownie points from my members here, etc. I'm "showing my work" like in Math class. I'm demonstrating that if I call Fisheaters "liberal", it's after considering all points of view, and carefully weighing the evidence.

If only everyone did that.

Quote from: Graham

Quote from: Matthew

[...] I'd like to bring up something that's been bothering me. I'd like to honestly consider the charge that FE is liberal [...]

I mean, how can you make such a broad generalizations [...] ?

An odd post, Matthew, and not doing you any favours.

CI is a longshot from FE - keep it that way!

I am not ashamed of always carefully considering both sides of an argument, or wanting to hear/consider the other side of the story. If everyone would do that, there would be a lot less rumors, gossip, detraction, backbiting, and other sins of the tongue.

If you read my more recent post in the thread, I explained how I came to the conclusion that Vox is liberal. Remember, I did admit that plenty of liberals exist on FE. In fact, I've also stated that because of Vox's orientation, the liberal view dominates the forum. I just don't know what % of Fisheaters is actually liberal. Maybe some of them are clinging to whatever shreds of Catholicism are left there, like Novus Ordo Catholics do in the Conciliar church.

But I want to emphasize that I'm not just repeating a mantra, trying to win brownie points from my members here, etc. I'm "showing my work" like in Math class. I'm demonstrating that if I call Fisheaters "liberal", it's after considering all points of view, and carefully weighing the evidence.

If only everyone did that.

You're saying the words I quoted were rhetorical, and that the generalization that FE is liberal is perfectly accurate. Right?