Ok.
Earlier I mentioned that we need to back up anything we say that might be considered "negative" when talking about someone in their absence.
In the spirit of leading by example, here goes.
I found this post of Vox to be objectionable, and typical of what she posts these days. This post is only a few months old, so it's quite recent.
In the thread where a transsɛҳuąƖ boldly "came out of the closet", here was Vox's first post on the matter:
Wow, she did it. Gutsy, Impy! Very, very gutsy, especially at a place like this!
My two cents: I think it'd be bizarre if there weren't congenital, genetic, and hormonal anomalies that can produce a syndrome in which one's chromosomal sex is masculine, while the apparent and/or "felt" sex is feminine (and vice versa, though the former would likely by a lot more common because of the "Androgen push" that's necessary for a fetus to become masculine with regard to secondary sex characteristics). There've been hermaphrodites that the Church has known about forever, there are chromosomal problems (XO, XXO, etc.), and there are hormonal issues (many of which can take place in utero, such as the failing of that "androgen push," for ex/, which likely affects brain-wiring itself) that can do a lot of weird things. Someone going through such a thing is likely living in a sort of Hell, especially given that so many people just lack the imagination enough or have the charity enough to even begin to empathize.
I think that because of the nature of some of these anomalies, the Church just hasn't caught up (i.e., because some of these problems are rooted in problems that Science couldn't touch until recently, the Church simply didn't have the tools to deal with them.) But to imagine enduring this, just imagine being the sex you are chromosomally, right now -- and then imagine having your body not match up. Imagine being a man, feeling like a man, emoting (or not) like a man, thinking like a man, knowing you are a man -- but having [explicit references to genitalia removed]. Or if you're a woman, imagine knowing you're a woman, sɛҳuąƖly responding as a woman, feeling absolutely like a woman -- but having a [explicit reference to genitalia removed] (the more common scenario). Think about it!
These folks have all the sympathy I got. I pray that anyone suffering this tries his/her best to please God always, never gives up on Christ, never leaves the Church because of mistreatment by some of Her less charitable members, and finds peace, love, and happiness.
Thanks for your honesty, Impy. You might be a woman, but you've got a, um, set!
And then she stubbornly sticks to her position:
Vox it is offensive for you to continue to equate medical treatment for children with genetic or chromosome defects to a man getting a sex change. Please stop.
The preponderance of the evidence is that Impy is a man. He was born a man, raised a man, lived as a man, has male chromosomes, male body parts and even his condition is male. If his brain says otherwise, there is something wrong with his brain. He is not a hermaphrodite choosing between two sexes either. He is one and choosing to become another. The attempts to explain it away using other examples that are not applicable are not working. But seriously, keep the kids with true genetic disorders out of it.
It is not "offensive" to equate medical treatment for a genetic or chromosome defect with medical treatment for a genetic or chromosome defect. You're not making sense and are only begging a couple of questions. Please stop.
You don't know the preponderance of evidence, quite frankly. Have you seen his medical records or examined her genitals or checked out his chromosomes, etc.? This is a medical decision between Impy, her doctors, and her priests. She announced her decision. You have stated your mind. You've done your job.
And in this case (as in most others), the strong opinions of the leader are certainly going to affect what is considered "acceptable" to post there. Whether the views of the moderator make it into the actual RULES or not (usually a lot of them do), it will affect what IS posted, what is NOT posted, and what kind of person will stick around and feel welcome. That is undeniable.
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