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Offline Ladislaus

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Alternative Non-Accredited Computer Science Degree?
« on: December 28, 2020, 01:26:43 PM »
As a couple of my older kids are now of college age, and this is making me confront the issues with college ... particularly with regard to computer science (which is the field I am in) ... namely ...

1) danger to faith & morals
2) college is a scam ... 3/4 of your coursework is not in your major, a way to make money and employ otherwise unemployable liberal arts professors
3) college computer science degrees are garbage (not enough hands on, too much theory, languages that are no longer widely used, etc.) ... so that graduates are not competent to actually program in the real world for years

Some alternatives are being self-taught or taking online classes ... BUT

1) these rarely have enough of the rigor required to become proficient and
2) it's hard to get a job this way
3) don't allow meaningful interaction with teachers
4) there's no way to establish proficiency (like you would be getting a degree)

So the thought has occurred to me to create a non-traditional non-accredited Institute of Technology, which would offer a thorough, rigorous, hands-on computer science curriculum focused entirely on one development platform (Microsoft .NET / C#) ... which is what I know and is one of the most popular out there.

This Institute would offer a Bachelor of Science.  I've interviewed for many jobs and NOT ONCE has an employer asked me if my "Bachelor" was from an "accredited" institution.  If they WERE to ask, one would provide a link that would detail the benefits and rigors of the program and the qualifications of the student.

It would be a total of 3 (approximately 4-credit-hour) terms per year for TWO YEARS.  So Winter/Spring 4 credit hours, Spring-Summer, 4 credit hours, Fall-Winter 4 credit hours.  Over 2 years it would be the equivalent of 24 credit hours.  And some final project (which colleges call "seminar" classes) completed over the last 6 months would round it out to 30 credit hours.

So ...

1) classes would be conducted entirely online to reduce costs
2) first class would always be free ... it's not right taking money from someone who decides that they either don't have the aptitude for computer science or else decide they don't like it
3) if someone doesn't pass a class, they can repeat it for free
4) class sizes would be limited to no more than 20, so it could be a legitimate interactive educational experience, rather than just streaming content.  EXCEPT that the first free intro class would not have the same limit, since there might be many wanting to do it (given that it's for free and just introductory and 50% or more of the students may not go on any further or might not take it seriously or just stop showing up out of laziness, etc.).  Perhaps I should make it a $100 refundable deposit ... refundable if you complete the class, to prevent 50 people from casually signing up and then being too lazy to show up, taking away seats from others who might have seriously wanted to do it).
5) for members of Traditional Catholic families, I would offer an honor-system total tuition deferment.  IF, after completing the degree, you get a job in the field making at least $30K per year, you would promise to pay back the tuition $100 per month so long as you're employed in the field.  I anticipate that it would cost $3600 per year, a total of $7,200 for the degree.  So it would take about 72 months (6 years) to pay it back at $100.  No interest/usury.  Again, based on the honor system.  If you were laid off or in financial difficulties and couldn't pay, that would be between the student and God.  I would do this for everyone, but I wouldn't necessarily trust people off the street to keep their word in an honor system, but would generally consider Traditional Catholics reliable.  One problem I might have to address with this paradigm is the potential for students to go, say, halfway through and then just disappear ... potentially taking seats away from others and ruining the ability to maintain viable class sizes)

Would there be any interest here?  I began developing a highly-effective curriculum for my oldest son, but he decided that he really didn't like it.  And that's the kindof thing that the free first class allows for ... determining whether it's even for you at all.

If there's enough interested (feel free to PM me offline) ... I would work to start this up ASAP.

Re: Alternative Non-Accredited Computer Science Degree?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2020, 01:56:38 PM »
I agree that the liberal arts curriculum required for computer science degrees is a ripoff.  However, I disagree that math and theoretical topics are useless.  In fact, the BS needs to have math and theory included because some of the grads will go on to masters and doctorates.  Plus, even if there is no intention to go for grad school, math and theory are directly applicable to design problems that one would encounter on the job.  You don't really need to have math and theory if you only aspire to write code for the rest of your life.  But if you want to be a successful software architect, you are going to want to have the math and theoretical background that will allow you to come up with good designs.  And actually that background work even helps coders write more efficient code.  It also helps you be skeptical of the latest fads in computer science.  Just like anything else, there is a lot of hype in the computer business.  The more narrow the focus of your initial education the more susceptible you will be to the hype.


Offline Matthew

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Re: Alternative Non-Accredited Computer Science Degree?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2020, 02:26:07 PM »
I agree with your points ("well rounded" education often a waste of money, especially considering the quality of today's liberal arts classes -- we're not talking about a class with Bp. Williamson!)

I don't think lack of degree is as big of a deal as you think it is -- what's of PRIMARY importance is to come in to the interview with the ACTUAL SKILLS to do the work -- and the confidence that comes with that. Also a portfolio and enthusiasm. If you have those things, you should be fine.

The bigger issue is the fact that a huge chunk of the industry is super liberal. Even if you squeeze into the organization (survive the interviews), you will quickly be found out as a conservative. You can only hide it so long, especially when it's Devils vs. Angels like it is today. This isn't the 1990's where Democrats and Republicans both wanted to live a normal life, loved America, etc.

No, today you have the Left wanting full-fledged Communism, hatred of America, strong religious belief in Evolution, abortion as a sacrament, and "outcome based" bringing everyone down to the same level. Equality on earth. And everything is racist. Political correctness gone insane. How can you get along with such people? You can't. And you can't hide the fact you are fundamentally not part of their cult. All it takes is, "Do you have any kids?" and it's all over. You can be as low-key as possible, and try to downplay it. But you can't really downplay your answer, when it's in the high single digits or even double-digits. They will KNOW you're not on board the Green New Deal, know what I mean?

Re: Alternative Non-Accredited Computer Science Degree?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2020, 02:39:45 PM »
Programs like this do exist, but they are often called certificate programs. They also exist for other fields like CAD where there is plenty of work for people with enough practical expertise, degree or not.

Some accredited colleges offer accelerated bachelor's degrees with the facility to test for credit whenever the student is ready. A reasonably motivated student can finish one of those in less than 2 years.

https://gradlime.com/fast-online-bachelors-degree/

It has crossed my mind that now would be a good time to start an affordable online community college.

Re: Alternative Non-Accredited Computer Science Degree?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2020, 03:09:55 PM »
All it takes is, "Do you have any kids?" and it's all over. You can be as low-key as possible, and try to downplay it. But you can't really downplay your answer, when it's in the high single digits or even double-digits.

A supervisor once asked me that. I said "is that relevant to my work here?"

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