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Re: AI is rock-stupid department
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2023, 01:31:29 PM »
It's all written by human beings, fed data into its database by human beings -- and that data was produced by human beings.

There was a dystopian satire film back in the 1980s called Brazil (Jonathan Pryce, Ian Holm, Bob Hoskins, among others). A bug in the machine (a bug, as in an insect, falls into a printer machine) produces a typo that leads to havoc for a poor guy now pursued by an out-of-control totalitarian bureaucracy. It was supposed to be a laughable plot, but it actually isn't.

Garbage in, garbage out, certainly. The trouble is when human beings place the dumb machine, or rather its output, in the line of the decision-making process. The machine does not consciously "decide" anything but what it can do is generate, in effect, an order that something be done. The woke whiners a few years back went nuts over algorithmic preemptive criminal profiling, complaining that it caused law enforcement and the financial sector to harass unfairly the usual suspects. Yet what's to stop these algorithm writers from going after us instead on an even more widespread basis than they already are? The CCP did put this into practice not so long ago. 

Re: AI is rock-stupid department
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2023, 01:48:02 PM »
That's precisely what they're doing.
Except it's really not. They are using these algorithmic models (AI) to create better weapons, as Soubirous helpfully points out:

The woke whiners a few years back went nuts over algorithmic preemptive criminal profiling, complaining that it caused law enforcement and the financial sector to harass unfairly the usual suspects. Yet what's to stop these algorithm writers from going after us instead on an even more widespread basis than they already are? The CCP did put this into practice not so long ago.
These models can produce results and are being actively developed all of the time. Isn't it funny that you downplay the threat of Russia and China while hyping non-threats (see: Marburg) and downplaying actual threats? AI isn't true artificial intelligence, but it can be a "force multiplier" in support of nefarious purposes. It isn't hard to understand.


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Re: AI is rock-stupid department
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2023, 02:17:36 PM »
It's all written by human beings, fed data into its database by human beings -- and that data was produced by human beings.

Yes, I've been around computers since they came out. I've seen some very impressive software. All written by human beings created in God's image (having Intellect and Free Will). Computers will never have either.

Computers are determined by the next machine opcode instruction and/or the data they are processing. And they certainly have no soul, consciousness, or "ghost in the machine".

AI is a misleading buzzword. It's all still software that needs human beings to write it, train it, maintain it, feed it. It will never be otherwise.
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Yes. No cause can be greater than its effect. The human is the cause of the software and the computer that runs it. No tool can be more advanced than the person who created it.

All this AI hype is pure mythology on the level of the gods of Olympus striking people with thunderbolts from heaven. People believe that AI can defeat the human race for the same reason people believed in the gods of Olympus -- the endarkening of the mind due to sin, which causes them to believe childish stories instead of true philosophy. They believe human beings are soulless machines, so if you believe that then why isn't it possible to build another soulless machine that is more capable than a human? Actually no, even that is ridiculous, because how could one soulless machine (a human) build another soulless machine that is more capable than itself? Cause greater than the effect -- impossible.

Once when I was a kid I watched a cartoon in which one character built some sort of spaceship and said to another character, "This ship is so modern, that even we are not sure what all of its features are." It's kind of a subtle joke, but that's what people think about AI.

Re: AI is rock-stupid department
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2023, 02:31:53 PM »
Except it's really not. They are using these algorithmic models (AI) to create better weapons, as Soubirous helpfully points out:
These models can produce results and are being actively developed all of the time. Isn't it funny that you downplay the threat of Russia and China while hyping non-threats (see: Marburg) and downplaying actual threats? AI isn't true artificial intelligence, but it can be a "force multiplier" in support of nefarious purposes. It isn't hard to understand.

Except for the whole system to work, some minimum percentage of those less sophisticated human beings who are considerably downstream from the puppet-master tech lords need to grant legitimacy to the output of dumb machines programmed by those same tech lords. Disinformation does have its goals.

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Re: AI is rock-stupid department
« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2023, 03:04:05 PM »
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Yes. No cause can be greater than its effect. The human is the cause of the software and the computer that runs it. No tool can be more advanced than the person who created it.

All this AI hype is pure mythology on the level of the gods of Olympus striking people with thunderbolts from heaven. People believe that AI can defeat the human race for the same reason people believed in the gods of Olympus -- the endarkening of the mind due to sin, which causes them to believe childish stories instead of true philosophy. They believe human beings are soulless machines, so if you believe that then why isn't it possible to build another soulless machine that is more capable than a human? 



Looking to a person/object/phenomenon, and attributing to it MORE CAUSALITY, POWER, or PERSONHOOD than it actually has, is the recipe for falling under the demon's control. Because the demon will insinuate himself into the loop, and get some adoration (which should be for God alone) in exchange for some real power or information, which he possesses being a fallen angel.

Many idiots certainly "imagine" or treat the AI as if it WERE a person. All the devil has to do is get into the loop, and WHAM-O! you have someone blindly following the dictates/information/orders from the devil. 

This has happened before with other objects -- today's object of choice is a computer software program called "AI". Not saying the devil is involved yet, but there's no reason to doubt that he will be, if enough people come seeking intelligence/guidance/person where there is just SOFTWARE.

Seriously, the most advanced "AI" today has less real LIFE to it than a mouse or a cat. As far as intelligence/free will, they are equals. Think about it.