thats just a conspiracy theory, SV-ism, next you wil ltell us the Popes post-V2 are really shape shifting aliens.....and that there is a conterfeit church.... :gandalf:

Not too fun is it...

Forgive me if my tone was aggressive.

Gotcha, but understand what I too was saying, not everyone-nay, not most-that think 9/11 was inside job, the varioud discussions on jews-beleive in alien shape shifters.Too many times, when these cօռspιʀαcιҽs are discussed, that is the strawmanning.

Not saying you are bad fellow, nor am I wanting to input to you any evil motives,etc...but trying to have a frank and open discussion is never served if this is the tactic....

example-awhile back, Sungenis was writing on something, Mark Shea comemnted and instead of addressing topics, he immediately used the "Sungenis is a 9/11 truther", which in effect put Sungenis is a lable box, for SHea's readers to then discount anything Sungenis had to say....

so, we can at times agree to disagree fellow Celtic brother?

I dont reject plots against the Church. What I do believe is that they could only have suceeded if things were "ripe" for them to suceed and if God gave His permission because so much of the formal members of the Church had already fallen away from Him. If that is an unacceptable opinion here than of course its not my forum so I will shut up.

Guess what? That's what Bishop Williamson always says. He states that the Jews only get control when a Catholic nation apostatizes. Apostate citizens become slaves to their passions, undisciplined, dull of mind, and easy to control.

The Jєωιѕн machinations are just a scourge from God on an apostate gentile nation. Ergo, we deserved it.

The solution is: wholesale return to the Catholic Faith -- which is what the SSPX works for every day in a positive, practical manner.

Matthew

The solution is: wholesale return to the Catholic Faith -- which is what the SSPX works for every day in a positive, practical manner.

Matthew

I have no problemn believing that the vast majiority of SSPXers have a geniune love for our Lord and are trying their best to please Him....However your ecclesiolgy makes absolutely no sense to me. What communion can Christ have with Belial? During the Arian crisis can you name me one Holy Father who said that it was correct to pray "una cuм" with Arians?

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The solution is: wholesale return to the Catholic Faith -- which is what the SSPX works for every day in a positive, practical manner.

Matthew

I have no problemn believing that the vast majiority of SSPXers have a geniune love for our Lord and are trying their best to please Him....However your ecclesiolgy makes absolutely no sense to me. What communion can Christ have with Belial? During the Arian crisis can you name me one Holy Father who said that it was correct to pray "una cuм" with Arians?

he did not damn every Arian to a man and women either, damned their theology yes, their leaders,eyes, but many followers are deceived, the way to win them back to sanity is not a punch in the eye   which is a tactic of CM, rather than to a more appraochable stance, one that gives no quarter, but is not hostile either...walls go up, draw bridges go down quick with the attack posture that CM seems often to take, though CM is still less nasty then FK....

Clovis said:

I dont reject plots against the Church. What I do believe is that they could only have suceeded if things were "ripe" for them to suceed and if God gave His permission because so much of the formal members of the Church had already fallen away from Him. If that is an unacceptable opinion here than of course its not my forum so I will shut up.

That is about all you have said in this thread that I can agree with, that everyone can agree with, yet you act as if it's controversial.  What is controversial is that you believe in Jєωιѕн fairytales.

That is one of the many reasons Catholics have fallen away.  There is not just a religious naivete, a naivete about doctrine, but an indifference to the real motive force of recent history.  All of this goes togeher and is what St. Paul prophesied when he said they should be damned who received not the love of truth, but believed the lie.  So-called Catholics would not have swallowed as many religious lies as they have if they weren't trained to worship the Jews and their goals, which has made them love political lies, like that American separation of Church and state is a good thing.  

It is, moreover, a sign of their having fallen away that for hundreds of years the Church warned them about Freemasons, and then when the Freemasons get their man as "Pope," which we all KNEW they were trying to do, almost no one can figure it out.  

Is it a conspiracy theory or an actual fact of the history of conspiracy that the Jews now possess Israel or that this could not have happened without their "mistreatment" in World War II and their bleatings that they were chased out of Europe and needed a homeland?  Do you think that, without their U.N., without their control of America and other nations, that they would have even gotten a foothold in Palestine?  Hitler's "persecution" was the perfect false-flag by which to stir up sympathy and to mobilize their stooge nations to back them up in their theft of the Holy Land.

Is it a conspiracy theory that Hitler's policy served the Jews ultimately?  Their numbers went UP after the war and they gained their ancient dream of re-attaining Israel.  What happened to the Catholic Polish, meanwhile?  Smashed up by nαzιs and then sold out by the Americans to communists.  Now they lick the boot of their Jєωιѕн oppressors in their phony VII churches.  This is all really happening -- it ain't no theory.

Cui bono, Clovis?  Who was that war REALLY against?  How do you think Hitler became powerful in Germany, rising up out of nothing, where do you think the money came from?  Do you think any man is placed over a vast army these days without Jєωιѕн aid?  I am discontented with Jєωιѕн control of America, and I'm a frustrated former artist, where is my army?

One last question -- what does David Icke have to do with anything?