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Actually trad123 it's better to use encyclicals against the VII Popes, as you have been doing, things like Lumen Gentium and "Muslims worship the one true God," because people can say that what JPII did at Assisi was not binding, was just a personal fault.  They might refer you to Alexander VI having orgies and so on.

But Assisi TOGETHER with the heresies and errors in encyclicals tells the whole sordid story.  The problem for you is that most of the heresies of VII are the same heresies you hear among trads, that you can be saved in false religions.  If you are unaware of this heresy, or don't believe it is heresy, you will be more likely to get sucked in to either VII or SSPX, as a form of mild resistance.  

But no Pope ever taught salvation in false religions before Pius XII, they expressly condemned it ( actually he didn't teach it through his own mouth, he just supposedly approved of Suprema Saec Hacra ) so once again we have two Magisterii in contradistinction to each other.  So if you're going to believe Pius XII is a true Pope, you will have to buy his innovation on EENS and on NFP.  I do not.  What I call the "liberal sedes" have.

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Laymen fled from the heresy of Arius, who sought to destroy the Catholic Faith by making the Creator into a creature.

However, what heresy do you find in all the traditional Latin Masses offered throughout the world today?

Sorry, but most traditional Catholic priests (I refer to both SSPX and sedevacantist/independent varieties) are not mired in any heresy. They hold to all the dogmas of the Catholic Faith, as well as Tradition, in most if not all cases.

They teach you can be saved as a Christ-denying Jew.  This is astonishingly offensive to the mission of Christ and to his death on the Cross.  The SSPX also deny papal infallibility through their position.  I will leave NFP alone.

Which traditional Catholic priests teach this? I haven't heard of any.

The SSPX certainly doesn't deny any doctrine of the Catholic Faith, including papal infallibility. But papal infallibility only extends to those pronouncements which meet the criteria. If the pope holds an error as private theologian it doesn't prejudice the doctrine of papal infallibility.

You're new to the Faith; so you need to learn it before you go around teaching it.

Matthew

Kudos to Raou leaving the NFP alone (remember, we have a NFP thread I started!)

Where does the SSPX officially teach the denial of Papal infallibility, Mike???

Heed Matthews lastcomments, one has to drink milk, then solids later...and heed what Paul taught, about empty talkers and those that teach what they do not know or have a right (note-office) to teach....