[alaric]

Great posts, PereJoseph! You really get to the core of it.

Yes, I have to admit, PJ nailed it on that one.

[LaramieHirsch]

I didn't know Melkite was still around.  

I recall a hot discussion with him and a pagan, where they both were defending evolution.  It was a thread about how Bill Nye thought Creationism is bad for children.  

His description of how evolution can be reconciled with the idea of original sin really was bizarre and nebulous.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and effeminate behavior is wrong.  Effeminacy is a vice.

[alaric]

I didn't know Melkite was still around.  

I recall a hot discussion with him and a pagan, where they both were defending evolution.  It was a thread about how Bill Nye thought Creationism is bad for children.  

His description of how evolution can be reconciled with the idea of original sin really was bizarre and nebulous.

ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and effeminate behavior is wrong.  Effeminacy is a vice.

I believe the medical community up until a few years ago described it as a mental disorder......

This is the problem with much of  illiberalism and political correctness, it's purely unscientific and on the verge of insanity.

What do you expect from a group of people who claim that grown men having anal sɛҳuąƖ intercourse with one another or many others should be classified as "normal".  :rolleyes:

[Graham]

As a corollary, shouldn't this sick FE thread be seen as evidence that the entire Indultarian neo-Trad hipster/dork culture that is invading Anglophone Catholic circles is from the devil ?

To be fair, many of the hipsters and dorks in that thread are taking a harder line, and are in fact SSPX-goers.

And after 18 pages or so, decency and common sense seem finally to be winning out, thanks in large part to their efforts.

But FE is rotting, rotting, rotting. It won't be long until I quit going there entirely.

[wallflower]

If we were to believe the general consensus that seems to inform the comments of the neo-Trad women's knitting circle, we would conclude the following : Real men (who didn't exist before we discovered the modern type) were leaders, that is why they wanted women to boss them around and manipulate them.  Real men were so straight that they loved spending time around sodomites; the straighter they are, the more they enjoy the company of perverts.  Real men hate ancient laws and moral philosophy and instead love an aesthetic approach to life, one of balance and spontaneity, the sort of environment that can be found on Oprah or at a woman's book club over martinis.  Fighting, organising, exploring, commanding, disciplining, hunting, conquering -- these are just the product of boyish insecurity.  Real men have no time for these puerile pursuits, which are worthy of being smirked at.  Women have seen them in their boys at the playground.  They understand the pathetic and animalistic silliness of what drives the world of men.  Real men, who know what these women have intuited, want to be liberated from these arcane pressures on the mind, so that they can spend time with "ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ" fetishists, talk about the meaning of their romantic affairs and how they make them feel over a cocktail, or allow themselves to be led by the level-headed vision of their wives.  

That's exactly it. An aspect I thought of but didn't get around to was if I'm going to understand what true male friendship and/or behavior is, I will take the word of straight men who have no reason to deceive themselves over that of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ who has all the reason in the world to want to bend the rules. It just doesn't make sense to allow them to instruct, re-educate, the rest of us on what normal male behavior is. How do they know?? Normal male behavior is at the core of their struggles!