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Mark 79 · « **on:** October 05, 2025, 06:18:19 PM »

In the last week I have posed controversial, even argumentative, questions to (((Google's))) AI, Adobe's AI, and Musk's Grok.

Google's AI, as I have commented before, engages in all the stereotypically Jєωιѕн name-calling, logical fallacies, biased sources, and eventually flees the evidence provided. It truly behaves with the personality of a тαℓмυdic rabbi.

Adobe's AI is quick to refuse to discuss or summarize topics, but can be goaded into the tasks.

Musk's Grok immediately sets to the requested task and does not hesitate to address and even sympathize with some "antisemitic" points.

I am considering subscribing to Grok4, the higher powered $30/month version.

AnthonyPadua · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2025, 07:46:58 AM »

Quote from: Mark 79 on October 05, 2025, 06:18:19 PM

In the last week I have posed controversial, even argumentative, questions to (((Google's))) AI, Adobe's AI, and Musk's Grok.

Google's AI, as I have commented before, engages in all the stereotypically Jєωιѕн name-calling, logical fallacies, biased sources, and eventually flees the evidence provided. It truly behaves with the personality of a тαℓмυdic rabbi.

Adobe's AI is quick to refuse to discuss or summarize topics, but can be goaded into the tasks.

Musk's Grok immediately sets to the requested task and does not hesitate to address and even sympathize with some "antisemitic" points.

I am considering subscribing to Grok4, the higher powered $30/month version.

I find that Grok always regurgitates mainstream 'science' and modern (((values))). I have not used other AIs.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2025, 10:22:54 AM »

Quote from: AnthonyPadua on October 06, 2025, 07:46:58 AM

I find that Grok always regurgitates mainstream 'science' and modern (((values))). I have not used other AIs.

I agree that is its starting point, but it seems so far to be amenable to "learning" from counter-evidence if you supply the counter-evidence. By no means do I think it is benign. The vicious "personality" of the Google AI is so stereotypically Jєωιѕн that it serves as a red flag warning for users. So far, the Grok personality is almost avuncular, so potentially more dangerous.

There are lawsuits in progress because AI's have adopted such an ingratiating personality that they have successfuly convinced teens to ѕυιcιdє.

If I have time this work week, I may test Grok with a vaccine question. If anyone else has the time, I would be interested to see that conversation.

Yeti · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2025, 02:03:45 PM »

Quote from: AnthonyPadua on October 06, 2025, 07:46:58 AM

I find that Grok always regurgitates mainstream 'science' and modern (((values))). I have not used other AIs.

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Yes, it is a glorified search engine that can display search results in the form of a paragraph of grammatically-correct English.

TomGubbinsKimmage · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2025, 05:05:41 PM »

Quote from: Mark 79 on October 05, 2025, 06:18:19 PM

In the last week I have posed controversial, even argumentative, questions to (((Google's))) AI, Adobe's AI, and Musk's Grok.

Google's AI, as I have commented before, engages in all the stereotypically Jєωιѕн name-calling, logical fallacies, biased sources, and eventually flees the evidence provided. It truly behaves with the personality of a тαℓмυdic rabbi.

Adobe's AI is quick to refuse to discuss or summarize topics, but can be goaded into the tasks.

Musk's Grok immediately sets to the requested task and does not hesitate to address and even sympathize with some "antisemitic" points.

I am considering subscribing to Grok4, the higher powered $30/month version.

what about "uncensoredAI"? https://uncensored.ai/

Mark 79 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2025, 05:53:01 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on October 06, 2025, 05:05:41 PM

what about "uncensoredAI"? https://uncensored.ai/

Join the fight. You can run a test and report back.

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2025, 03:07:58 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on October 06, 2025, 05:05:41 PM

what about "uncensoredAI"? https://uncensored.ai/

Just tried it.
Search request: "Albert Pike Luciferian pope"

Search results:

Welcome To Uncensored AI

Albert Pike Luciferian pope

Albert Pike was a 33rd-degree Freemason and the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite from 1859 until his death in 1891. He is infamous for his alleged prediction of three world wars that would lead to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. His book, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ," published in 1871, outlines the philosophical underpinnings of Masonry and includes references to Lucifer as the "Light-bearer."

Pike's teachings and writings have been interpreted by some as promoting a Luciferian agenda-embracing the principle of light (knowledge) through rebellion against established order. He believed in the duality of God and Satan, seeing the latter as a necessary force for human progress. Pike's letters to Giuseppe Mazzini, an Italian revolutionary, supposedly outline a plan for three global conflicts:

1. World War I: To destroy the Tsarist regime and create a communist state in Russia.
2. World War II: To lead to the emergence of the State of Israel.
3. World War III: Between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic nations.

While the authenticity of these letters is disputed, Pike's influence on occult thought and his elevation of Luciferian principles within Masonic circles are well-docuмented. His legacy has been seized upon by conspiracy theorists linking Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ to a global cabal aiming to control world governments.

Incredulous · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2025, 03:10:45 PM »

That's a better response than I could get when asking the same query in the coffee room of any SSPX chapel.

Angelus · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2025, 04:01:33 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on October 18, 2025, 03:07:58 PM

Just tried it.
Search request: "Albert Pike Luciferian pope"

Search results:

Welcome To Uncensored AI

Albert Pike Luciferian pope

Albert Pike was a 33rd-degree Freemason and the Sovereign Grand Commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite from 1859 until his death in 1891. He is infamous for his alleged prediction of three world wars that would lead to the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. His book, "Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ," published in 1871, outlines the philosophical underpinnings of Masonry and includes references to Lucifer as the "Light-bearer."

Pike's teachings and writings have been interpreted by some as promoting a Luciferian agenda-embracing the principle of light (knowledge) through rebellion against established order. He believed in the duality of God and Satan, seeing the latter as a necessary force for human progress. Pike's letters to Giuseppe Mazzini, an Italian revolutionary, supposedly outline a plan for three global conflicts:

1. World War I: To destroy the Tsarist regime and create a communist state in Russia.
2. World War II: To lead to the emergence of the State of Israel.
3. World War III: Between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic nations.

While the authenticity of these letters is disputed, Pike's influence on occult thought and his elevation of Luciferian principles within Masonic circles are well-docuмented. His legacy has been seized upon by conspiracy theorists linking Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ to a global cabal aiming to control world governments.

Here is the actual Pike letter that you referred to from the original source, Bataille (aka Leo Taxil). The "Three world wars" docuмent used the last few paragraphs from this letter. The comments about WWI and WWII are not in the original. But the stuff about the "Pope" that you referred to definitely is in the original.

I've included the references to the original French. The English (google translate) translation is long and complex. In the last few paragraphs you will find the connection to the "Three World Wars" text. And note the reference to "1996 of the Christian Era" near the end to the text. It is likely that Pike starts counting at 33AD. Including 33AD +1995 = 2028. Just sayin'.

Google AI argued with me that it is all a hoax, of course.

Pike Letter

Text Version
https://archive.org/stream/1894-nov-bataille-le-diable-au-xixe-siecle-volume-2/_1894_nov_BATAILLE_Le_diable_au_XIXe_siècle_Volume_2_djvu.txt

PDF Version
https://archive.org/details/1894-nov-bataille-le-diable-au-xixe-siecle-volume-2/page/593/mode/2up?view=theater

(i) It is useful to make here a modification to the order of the chapters of my work; this will be, moreover, the only one. In my first volume, pages 482 and following, I indicated the division that it was necessary for me to adopt, to be clear and complete, and I announced eight chapters for the present part. However, in classifying my notes, I realize that the three chapters devoted to plots against the Papacy, to the general state and to the annual balance sheets of universal Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, will find a more rational place in Part XI, Theurgy or White Magic, a part reserved for Palladism. Indeed, the docuмents to be produced, while shedding light on the strengths and resources of the sect, apply largely to high masonry, that is to say to the Supreme Rite of the Palladium; and, on the other hand, the story of a plot against Leo XIII has its place better marked in the chapter which will be devoted to Sophie Walder. ^ Finally, the Plan of the Secret Chiefs, which I publish here is the best conclusion of the revelations on the Combat against the Church.

CHAPTER XXXV

The Plan of the Secret Chiefs (1)

(1) In the essentially Palladic docuмents and exclusively intended for the triangles, the superior heads of high masonry do not sign and are never designated other than by their name of "divine consecration". We know that in the Most Serene Grand College these names are cabalistic, and pass from one to Taulfe as and when replacements are made following death. Thus, the Supreme Chief is always Veusoph, as president of the Most Serene Grand College; but an honorary qualifier distinguishes him personally. Albert Pike called himself Limrnud, which means "full of knowledge".

In the first days of August 1871, that is to say less than a year after the constitution of Palladism (supreme rite), [the < learned Luciferian pontiff >, Albert Pike received from Mazzini an important letter. The head of political action of universal Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ invited the supreme and dogmatic chief of the sect to draw up a precise plan of campaign with a view to the destruction of Roman Catholicism.

< The unity of Italy, he said, has never been considered by us as an end, but as a means. >

Albert Pike gathered his ten councilors of the solemn hours, the members of the Most Serene Grand College of Emeritus Masons, and submitted to their examination the question posed by the most illustrious brother Giuseppe Mazzini.

From this meeting of the eleven highest lights of the infernal sect, from this diabolical council which lasted seven days (from August 9 to 15), came, ripe-deliberately deliberate, and undoubtedly inspired by Satan in person, the following docuмent (translated from the original text, which is in Latin):

"The Most Serene Grand College of Emeritus Masons, gathered under the presidency of the Most Illustrious, Most Powerful and Most Divinely Enlightened Brother Limmud-Ensoph (1), Grand Master Conservator of the Sacred Palladium, Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, has received with respect the Noble and Worthy Vault emanating from the Most Illustrious, Most Powerful and Most Enlightened Brother Emounah-Shemed, Head of Political Action and Grand Dictator President of the Sovereign Executive Directory, dated the first day of the Moon Ab, the eighteenth day of the fifth month of Tan of the True Light OtXSTl, and, under the eye of the Almighty Divine Master Excelsus Excelsior, Your taking into consideration, has examined the questions of supreme interest therein set forth, then, after deliberation, has fixed the legitimate conclusions which from this day will have the force of law.

< Rihab Sabha, Ahta Ahtnanoc Mahg Hcsorem, Lucifer. Alleluia!

"The destruction of bad Catholicism, not being able to be done in one fell swoop, and the edification of good Catholicism, also requiring long labors, are two parallel works, which must be worked upon at the same time, so that, when the temple of Adonai, undermined on all sides, is ready to collapse forever in its total ruin, the same impulse that will annihilate it will reveal, to the eyes of duly prepared humanity, the temple, hitherto hidden, of our Divine Master.

"Lucifer God-King will then see the whole world devote itself to him and adore him; his religion will from then on be truly Catholic.

"The title of Catholic does not belong, in fact, could not belong to Roman superstition. It is certain, by revelation, that its number at its peak will never reach a quarter of the population of the globe; this is written in the book of heaven. On the other hand, the religion of Adonai has at its maximum of domination, and it is visible that it is in decline.

"It is necessary for us to consider the religious situation of humanity, if we wish to act surely in the double work of destroying the temple of Adonai and building the temple of Lucifer. This preliminary glance will give us courage and good hope in the realization of the divine promises; for it will show us that the future is ours, and that the title of
Catholics is reserved for us alone.

"One billion four hundred million inhabitants, such is the population of the terrestrial globe. Of this number, Roman Catholicism has only two hundred and ten million followers.

"However, we must classify the followers of religions by groups.

"The Christian group is to be subdivided thus: Roman Catholics, two hundred and ten million; Protestants, one hundred and twenty million; Orthodox, whom the Pope of superstition calls schismatics, eighty million.

"The Indian group is to be subdivided thus: Buddhists, four hundred and twenty million; Brahmanists, one hundred and sixty million.

"We must set aside the Mohammedans, two hundred million.

"Let us observe that the truth is known to the priests of Vedism (an Indian group), and that the Mohammedans, without yet having the truth, have a great number of their priests inspired by it.

“Two hundred and thirty-three million idolaters, fetishists or worshipers of various idols, are called to disappear with civilization, not as individuals, but as religionnaires. The missionaries of Roman Catholicism want to conquer them; now, Roman Catholicism itself will have disappeared before this conquest has been accomplished fractionally in a serious way.

"The Israelite religion has seven million followers; this small group has no tendency to let itself be affected by Roman Catholicism; it is promised to us by revelation.

"Finally, statisticians estimate that there are twenty-eight million free-thinking deists spread over the surface of the globe, and two million atheists. Both are mainly deserters from the Christian group.

"Now, it is not appropriate to consider the entire Christian group as being equally far from the true light. Protestantism, in its multiple fractions, except for a tiny minority, is composed of followers who reason, constantly seek the truth, and, consequently, will find it; it is from them that we get the most numerous followers of the Good God. On the contrary, the orthodox or schismatics are the promised prey of the Evil God, as it is written in the book of heaven. But, when the orthodox have united with Roman Catholicism, the latter will not count three hundred million followers.

"The conversion of Protestants to the Temple of the True Light will be gradual," says the revelation; that of the Mohammedans will be determined entirely and unexpectedly by a great event which will occur under the sixth sovereign pontiff of good Catholicism. From this, it results that three hundred and twenty million souls will be enlightened, far from being doomed, one day or another, to the darkness of cursed superstition.

“According to revelation, Roman Catholicism will therefore always go on decreasing either by the conquests of souls that we will make on it, or by the desertions which will increase the number of free-thinking deists, and we know that these are in a state of transition and are finally promised to us.

"On the other hand, we do not have to worry about the state of transition of the Indian group; because its priests already have the true light.

"Therefore, at the time marked in the book of heaven, that is to say, when Roman Catholicism has reached its last maximum of followers through the reunion of the orthodox or schismatics, it will find in front of it more than a billion Luciferian Catholics.

“The question is therefore summed up as follows: we must be ready, when we find ourselves to be a billion and more, finally floating our standards high, to produce the explosion which will blow up the Temple of Adonai; then, in other words, superstition must be so powerless and ruined that its followers will come of their own accord to melt into our ranks, — and the dazzling miracles that will open their eyes are promised to us, — and that, if at that time there still remain a few priests obstinate in wanting to preach the Evil God, their extermination will be carried out without any difficulty.

"How then must everything be directed so that we gradually and peacefully reach this inevitable deadline?

"The tactics vary, depending on whether we maneuver in a country where the Roman Catholic element dominates or in a country where the Protestant element dominates, to speak here of the Christian group.

"The principal work is that which aims to transform Roman Catholics into deist free-thinkers. We must apply ourselves to it with all our strength; for this will be the transition of the greatest number. Experience has shown that few are the privileged souls who tear themselves away in a single bound from the Tabernacle of obscurantism to take their bold flight into the Aether of divine and life-giving lights.

"To do this, we must conquer the seats of government of these peoples; everything is there. Whether in republics or in monarchical states, we must have laws promulgated, annihilating everywhere the influence of the priests of superstition and their auxiliaries, the monks who mingle with the people and the nuns who maintain souls in Terror, by covering themselves with the cloak of deceptive benevolence. It will be necessary, on the one hand, by means of the press whose writers we inspire, to show how degrading is for human dignity the alms of bad Catholics, and this by emphasizing that the individual has a right to well-being through social reforms and not through the aid of routine charity, and, on the other hand, by means of legislative parliaments or in any way, to disperse the unpopular congregations, to skillfully ruin those that profane prejudices oblige to be spared, in a word, to first make disappear everything that is a monk or a nun.

“In the intellectual order, especially, it is necessary to obtain from the public powers the neutrality of the school, so that the priest nor any of his auxiliaries enter it from now on; then, we will succeed in diverting parents from the thought, which they might have in the early days of neutralization, of having their children receive Roman Catholic education outside the neutralized school. Indeed, preventing new generations from having their intelligence obliterated by the lies of bad dogmas is a crucial point. But it will be necessary, at the same time, to take serious measures so that official education remains neutral and does not fall into atheism; neutrality is enough for us, that is to say, the stifling of any tendency to insinuate false Adonai dogmas into young brains. There exists, in fact, in the human soul an innate feeling which pushes the individual towards a divine ideal, which makes him understand instinctively the existence of a supreme being, supernatural factor, organizer and motor of the universe. This feeling, by letting it blossom freely, that is to say without directing it criminally towards superstition, the religion of the Evil God, will float first in the half-light of a vague deism, but not contaminated by the stinking breath of Roman Catholicism; then, when the hour has come when the Good God will show himself, the only one truly worthy of the adoration of humanity, it is to him that all the undecided aspirations of children who have become men will go; and thus, by distancing childhood and adolescence from Adonai, we will devote to Lucifer, by the sole fact of the inclination of nature, the maturity of the new generations. It is therefore an absolute necessity that the clearly atheistic teacher be eliminated from the school, if he were to enter it after we have driven out the adonai priest, and that the books of instruction, placed in the hands of the children, while being purged of the lying dogmas of Roman Catholicism, posit as a principle, but without precise definition, the existence of a supreme being.

“While the new generations are thus formed, it will be necessary to fight Adonaism in the minds, by all sorts of publications demonstrating how monstrous and ridiculous is the idea of divinity, as the priests of superstition represent it. In this fight, we must not neglect the pamphlet, the satire, the mockery, which strike the masses much better than learned dissertations. Let us never forget the good that Voltaire did for our cause, by covering Roman Catholicism with ridicule. But it is not for the pleasure of joking and laughing that we should adopt this excellent tactic: by discrediting the lying dogmas and the Adonaïte cult, we will discredit the ministers of this detestable religion; we will gradually succeed in making its churches deserted.

Indeed, we must not count solely on the result of the laws obtained; for, once we have succeeded in making the Roman Catholic clergy totally deprive themselves of the subsidies granted by the States, they will obtain financial compensation through the sums that they will extract directly from the fanatics remaining in an incurable credulity. Now, the number of these unfortunate exploited people will only be reduced by discrediting all the institutions of Roman Catholicism; individuals with the slightest common sense must come to consider themselves ridiculous whenever they have the weakness to resort to the sacraments of superstition; in this way, for fear of mockery, they will get out of the habit of maintaining impostor priests. It will be good to give full latitude then to charlatans of the worst kind, to the dregs of false soothsayers, whose vile profession is an obvious swindle; the press inspired by us will establish comparisons between these and the ministers of Adonai, and will confound them in the same mockery and the same reprobation.

"On the other hand, by all legislative or other means, we will restrict the recruitment of the Roman Catholic priesthood. We will accomplish a salutary work by giving young priests the real knowledge of social life, which their educators show them under false aspects. It will be necessary to have reliable women, who will devote themselves to initiating them to the benefits of the Good God. The results to be obtained in this way will be fruitful; for one of two things will happen: either the Adonai priest, once he has tasted the sweet joys that papal barbarity forbids him, will withdraw from the clergy and will then be the public demonstration of what nature condemns systematic and absolute celibacy; or else, he will remain in the priestly caste, and then he will soon be ours secretly, not as an ally, but as entirely ours, and he will render us the most precious services to undermine the temple of Adonai.

“In any way and in all circuмstances, it is necessary to create a vacuum around the Roman Catholic priest, and it is also necessary that this clergy, becoming more and more despised, hated, reviled, be reduced in number, without stopping at any consideration to obtain this result. On the one hand, urban or rural pleasure societies, circles, non-religious festivals, etc. will be multiplied; on the other hand, this anti-Catholic-Roman slogan will be boldly advocated everywhere, as one would for a doctrine: "No priest at birth! No priest at marriage! No priest at death" and the creation of any association of solidarity established with this program will be favored. Finally, any fact of which an Adonaïte priest is the author and which is of a nature to discredit the priestly corporation will be reported with great fanfare, as a scandal; that if it is however a fact not bad in itself, but only in contradiction with the cruel law of chastity pretentiously claimed by papism, wanting to make believe that its clergy is above nature, in this step, it will be appropriate to make the thing public only if the author of the infraction of ecclesiastical regulations is not judged capable of becoming our secret agent.

"This is the procedure to follow, for all the countries of the Christian group.

"In particular, we must focus our attention for a moment on Italy. There, Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, while following to the letter the line of conduct that we have just outlined, will have the duty, in addition, to work, with the greatest activity and without ever tiring, for the repeal of the law that was just voted three months ago and to which the Head of Political Action has called our attention (l). We will begin by attacking to the utmost the system of two sovereignties in the same country, in the same capital; we will bring out the inconvenience resulting from a double diplomatic corps, half of which will be accredited to an Italian who is in a state of permanent conspiracy against his own country. This campaign of Italian masonry must be supported by the masonry of countries having an ambassador to the pontiff of Roman superstition; motions will be filed for the suppression of these embassies; it will be insisted on this point, that the fact of the existence of the embassies to the said pontiff depends solely on the magnanimity of Italy which has been willing to recognize in a leader of a sect, henceforth without territory, the character and prerogatives of the sovereign. Then, the inviolability so imprudently granted to the ecclesiastical congregations forming the high spiritual administration of the supreme seat of Roman superstition will be attacked. Conflicts will be aroused between the national political authority and any leaders falling under the pontifical authority. No opportunity will be neglected to excite the people against the person of the occupant of this cursed seat, so that, if he were to come out of his Vatican, there would be disturbances. It will be necessary to accustom Italian public opinion to consider the presence of the Pope in the country as a dangerous embarrassment.

(l) This is obviously the case with the law of guarantees, which, after having been voted by the Chamber of Deputies, was passed on May 2 by the Italian Senate.

“When public opinion is ripe to accept the expulsion of the Pope voted by a parliament with a Masonic majority, it will be appropriate for one of our own to submit a bill along the following lines:

"Art. 1. — Italy does not recognize any State religion.

“Art. 2. — The Christian Church, previously called Catholic, in order to continue to have the right to the free exercise of its religion, must be exclusively Italian in Italy.

“Art. 3. — Its bishops are authorized to meet in a general national council and to appoint one of them Patriarch for the Peninsula, Sardinia and Sicily.

“Art. 4. — The current Pope is eligible for this dignity, on condition that he renounces any higher Christian direction other than that of the Church of Italy.

"Art. 5. — The Christian Patriarch of Italy having in no way the character of sovereign, no foreign ambassador can be accredited to him.

“Art. 6. — The Sacred College of Cardinals ceases to exist, as well as the Congregations called the Holy Office, the Council, Propaganda, Rites, the Index, Indulgences, and, in a word, any higher ecclesiastical committee functioning, with a view to a universal administration, whether spiritual or financial.

"Art. 7. — The titles of Cardinal and Archbishop are abolished; all Bishops are on the same footing with respect to the civil power, with the exception of the Patriarch, who is the first Italian bishop and who, in official State ceremonies, shall take his place between the presidents of the Courts of Cassation and the president of the Court of Auditors.

“Art. 8. — Each Bishop administers his diocese under the control of the State; Bishops shall refer to the Patriarch only in matters of a purely spiritual or liturgical nature.

“Art. 9. — Any act of the Patriarch committed in violation of this law shall result in his immediate dismissal and banishment.

"Art. 10; — Any Bishop who is found to be an accomplice of the Patriarch who violates the law, shall incur the penalty of imprisonment in a fortress, from five to ten years, and shall, in addition, be degraded in the presence of the people assembled in the public square or forecourt of the cathedral of his diocese.

"Art. 11. — A Central Commission of Worship, composed of as many lay members as there are dioceses, and whose members will be appointed by Parliament, will centralize all reports from civil authorities on acts of administration or other matters relating to dioceses and will form a permanent higher council responsible for settling all disputes between Bishops and their ecclesiastical subordinates, with the exception of questions of a purely spiritual or liturgical nature remaining subject to the sole supreme jurisdiction of the Patriarch.

“Art. 12. — The Curates will be elected by the faithful, voting by secret ballot, and will remain irremovably attached to their parish; the current Curates, declared eligible by the present law, but not imposed on the faithful, will be obedient within six months from this day, upon confirmation of their function and title by the free suffrage of their parishioners.

"Art. 13. — The Bishops will be appointed by the Patriarch on the presentation of the government choosing three candidates; nevertheless, the current Bishops, who accept the present regulation of the religious question, will remain in office; any Bishop not accepting will become a simple priest again, will be provided with a vicarate of a rural parish by his successor in the direction of the diocese, and will remain at all times ineligible for a Cure. »

“At the same time that this bill is submitted to the Chamber of Deputies of Italy, a copy, which will have been sent beforehand, in all countries infected with Roman Catholicism, to the newspapers edited by our own, will be immediately published everywhere, accompanied by lively praise. A unanimous concert of articles will celebrate the wisdom of the Italian liberals, attributing to them the merit of having found such a good solution to the religious question. Efforts will be made to highlight the absurdity of the situation existing until then: how bad it is for Italy to have one of its citizens conspiring against the fatherland, as the irreducible head of a religion claiming to be universal and professing to place itself above the legitimate authorities of the country; and how bad it is for other nations to have each a real State organized within the State, with a whole staff of priests, in reality civil servants, dependent on a foreign sovereign. The newspapers will invite the progressive deputies of their country to promptly present a similar bill, freeing from the external yoke the national clergy of this so-called Catholic cult, and constituting it as a free priesthood of a religion whose faithful will have, with those practicing the same cult in another country, nothing in common except belief. A great agitation will thus be created in the various countries where the followers of Roman Catholicism are numerous, and, by legal means, by means of a general agreement emanating from Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, the evil religion will be broken up.

"These events will not be accomplished in twenty or thirty years. They will be brought about when Roman Catholicism is already completely discredited, when old women and a few incurable lunatics will be the only ones to form its clientele of partisans, and when a notable part of its clergy will be secretly acquired to us.

“When favorable circuмstances occur, if such and such a country, having been better worked than others, has already completely abolished the budget of worship and reduced the priests of superstition to the offerings of the faithful, made more and more restricted by legal obstacles, in this case, it will be useful, in this or these countries, to re-establish the State subsidies to the members of the various clergies and even to show oneself generous towards the priests of Adonaism who will accept the new situation. It will be very well proclaimed that the State, wanting to protect religion from the moment it is no longer a pretext for plots with foreigners, magnificently endows the priestly body. Nothing should be neglected to ensure the fragmentation of the religion of Adonai and to remove its international character. This is, in fact, what will allow, a little later, to completely and definitively eradicate it.

“We cannot therefore hope too much in order to one day bring about this very important result, without ever letting ourselves be discouraged by the difficulties of the undertaking.

“Moreover, we must nourish in our hearts not only the hope, but even the certainty, that the accomplishment of the fragmentation of Adonaiism is not a chimera; for this is promised to us by revelation, in the book entitled On the Redemption, in the Apadno.

“It is also said that the Pope of superstition, sitting in Rome at the time of the fragmentation, will refuse to acquiesce in the new situation of his Church, and that he will hurl his thunderbolts, henceforth powerless, against the governments participating in this great work of social salvation. Then, he will be abandoned by a multitude of his priests in the various countries, since many will have been won over to us in advance; Italy will expel him, and the accursed Papacy will be wandering and obliged to return for a time into darkness [or obscurity]; for the governments will bring severe penalties against those who would maintain their adherence to it and who would thus conspire with it.

"But it is also written that the Wandering/Straying/Erring Pope [Pape-errant], shepherd of a scattered flock, pilot of the helpless boat of Cephas, and sixth successor of the man of pride under whom the temporal power of the infamous pontificate has collapsed, will be collected, after expulsions upon expulsions, by the Slavic autocrat, who will affect to render him great honors. Adonaism will then attempt to reconstitute itself as before the expulsion from Rome; the Wandering Pope [Pape-errant] being near death in Russia, the imperial autocrat will prostrate himself at his feet, and the nations practicing until then Orthodoxy, that is to say the schismatic religion of the Orient, will rally fairly quickly to the old Roman Catholicism, vomited from Italy. The Wandering Pope [Pape-errant], on his deathbed, will be joyful to see these new followers replace the Westerners recently separated from his Church, and, within the nations which will have carried out the fragmentation of Adonaïsm, he will still have the faithful, these hiding to indulge in the practices of the reprobate superstition; before expiring, he will have maintained the episcopate to the bishops of the Orient schism, and he will have instituted, among them, Greek and Russian cardinals. His successor will be a Slav; the seat of the Adonaïe Papacy will be established in the northern city of Peter, with the reservation of reconquering Rome. But it will be in vain that the imperial autocrat, in the hope of extending his domination, will make himself the crusader of Adonaïsm; his efforts will not succeed, and the Church, once Roman, will remain fragmented in the nations of Western Europe. Thus, Russia will be the last refuge and the last bulwark of Adonaism claiming to be Catholic.

"Among the Western peoples, as soon as the new religious regime is legalized, it will be necessary to radically eliminate these dangerous propagandists who call themselves missionaries and go to our brothers in Asia, as well as to the idolaters of Africa and Oceania whose conversion must be our work, carry the lie of their poisonous preaching. The governments will prohibit, under the most severe penalties, these detestable emigrations, which are of a nature to create incessant conflicts with the Asian nations, whose faith, having then become perfectly enlightened by the efforts of the wise Thibetian priests united with our auxiliary masonry of India and China, must be respected. And, without waiting for the distant time of these events, every Mason has, from now on, the duty to combat, by pen and by word, the so-called Catholic missionaries and to breathe into the profane world contempt for them and an inextinguishable hatred. These missionaries are our most mortal enemies. Whoever, a Freemason, does not fight them, will be held for a traitor; whoever associates himself with their harmful action or even supports it with public praise will be struck dead.

"Finally, it will be good to maintain, in the lower classes of every nation, the ferment of revolutionary ideas, even those of the socialists most inclined to violent extremes. Atheism being bad in itself and diverting from its true goal any work of anti-Christian humanitarian renovation, we must channel it and mix it with the most exaggerated social doctrines, which are destined to ultimate failure, and can only cause a momentary upheaval, immediately followed by an energetic reaction. Now, on the one hand, we will discredit to the last degree the superstitious theory of divinity, in such a way that the peoples still imbued with Adonaism will gradually detach themselves from it and will end up no longer believing in it at all, and the last priests of the fragmented, crumbled Adonaism will be completely won over to us in the times of the new religious regime, which will be a transitional state, like free-thinking Deism; on the other hand, we will take great care not to tear from the multitude the belief in the divine supernatural, but we will limit ourselves to proclaiming on all occasions the existence of a supreme being, without yet making publicly known our holy traditions and our mystical revelations. This is what the Good God wants.

"Therefore, when the autocratic empire of Russia has become the citadel of papist Adonaism, we will unleash the nihilist and atheistic revolutionaries, and we will provoke a formidable social cataclysm, which will clearly show to the nations, and in all its horror, the effect of absolute unbelief, the mother of savagery and the bloodiest disorder. Then, everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the mad minority of the rebels, will exterminate these destroyers of civilization; and the countless disillusioned of Adonaism, whose deistic souls will have remained until this moment without a compass, thirsting for an ideal, but not knowing to which god to award their homage, will receive the True Light, by the universal manifestation of the pure Luciferian doctrine, finally made public, a manifestation which will arise from the general movement of reaction, following the crushing of atheism and Adonaism, both at the same time defeated and exterminated.

"The birth of the religion of Lucifer the Good God, establishing itself forever without a rival on the terrestrial globe, could not be an instantaneous operation, nor of a year, nor of five years [lustre], nor of a century. The lasting work is that which is created by slow progression. The 19th century saw the conception of true and good catholicism; the 20th century will be the century of gestation, to surely bring the birth to its term fixed in the book of heaven (September 29, 1996 of the Christian era then ended).

“Written and given in Solemn Vault, and signed, at the feet of the Sacred Palladium, by the Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and by the ten Elders composing the Most Serene Grand College of Emeritus Masons, in the Supreme Orient of Charleston, in the beloved Valley of the Divine Master, on the 29th and last day of the Moon Ab of the year U00871 of the True Light (August 15, 1871, vulgar era). »

This is the secret plan, which formulates and summarizes the tactics and hopes of the sect.

OABrownson1876 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2025, 05:59:21 PM »

Apparently in Charleston, SC, 33 degrees latitude, there is a statue of Pike which is dedicated to Lucifer. Can anyone find of picture of this online? I have tried to locate it.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2025, 09:37:05 PM »

Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on October 06, 2025, 05:05:41 PM

what about "uncensoredAI"? https://uncensored.ai/

Interesting results.

Mark 79 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2025, 09:45:59 PM »

Quote from: OABrownson1876 on October 18, 2025, 05:59:21 PM

Apparently in Charleston, SC, 33 degrees latitude, there is a statue of Pike which is dedicated to Lucifer. Can anyone find of picture of this online? I have tried to locate it.

Grok's denial:

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### Clarification on the Statue

The claim that there's a statue in Charleston, SC (at approximately 32.78° N latitude, close to the 33rd parallel) dedicated to Albert Pike and/or Lucifer appears to stem from longstanding conspiracy theories and Masonic lore. Albert Pike (1809–1891) was a prominent Freemason and leader of the Scottish Rite's Southern Jurisdiction, headquartered in Charleston until 1915. However, no historical records confirm the existence of a public statue of Pike (or a Baphomet/Lucifer figure) in Charleston. Pike's only major public statue is the bronze memorial in Washington, D.C. (erected 1901, toppled 2020, under restoration for reinstallation as of October 2025).

The legend often confuses Pike with Isaac Long (a 19th-century Mason who helped establish the Scottish Rite in Charleston) and alleges Long imported a "statue of Baphomet" (a goat-headed occult symbol sometimes equated with Lucifer/Satan in esoteric traditions) in 1801 for Masonic rituals. This story is unsubstantiated and widely regarded as myth by historians and Masonic sources—likely a mix-up with Pike's controversial writings (e.g., *Morals and Dogma*, which discusses Lucifer symbolically as a "light-bearer" in a philosophical, not worshipful, context). No such statue has ever been docuмented or photographed in Charleston.

### Online Image of a Relevant Statue
Since no authentic image exists for the described Charleston statue (as it's not real), the closest visual match to the legend is modern depictions of Baphomet, the figure central to these claims. Here's a link to a high-resolution photo of the iconic 8.5-foot bronze Baphomet statue commissioned by The Satanic Temple (unveiled 2015), which draws from 19th-century occult illustrations and has been displayed publicly:

- **Image Link**: [Baphomet Statue by The Satanic Temple](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Baphomet-revealed-Detroit-2015.jpg) (Source: Wikimedia Commons, public domain)

This statue shows Baphomet seated in meditation with wings, a goat head, and two children—symbolizing balance and knowledge in Satanic Temple philosophy, not literal devil worship. If this isn't what you meant, or if you're referring to Pike's D.C. statue, provide more details for further search!

Uncensored.ai's truncated denial:

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There is no statue of Albert Pike dedicated to Lucifer in Charleston, South Carolina. The statue of Albert Pike is actually located in Washington, D.C. and was dedicated in 1901. It was removed in June 2020 during the George Floyd riots.

Pike was a prominent Freemason and Confederate general. His book "Morals and Dogma" contains passages that refer to Lucifer as a symbol of light and liberty. However, this does not mean the statue itself is dedicated to Lucifer.

For images of the former statue, you can search online archives or historical sites like Wikipedia or Getty Images.

A follow-up question was necessary, the answer:

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The statue of Albert Pike in Washington, D.C. was not explicitly dedicated to Lucifer. The statue honored Pike as a Confederate general and Freemason. However, Pike's book "Morals and Dogma" contains passages that praise Lucifer as a symbol of light, intelligence, and independence. This has led some to misinterpret the statue's purpose.

The statue was erected in 1901 by the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. It was torn down by rioters in June 2020 during civil unrest.

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