Here is the debate between Dawkins and Cardinal Pell. Very interesting if you have a spare hour.
Ar 15:50 Cardinal Pell should have repeated the 1st dogma of the Catholic faith: 'God can be known WITH CERTAINTY by the things that He made.'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1QHO_AVZA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD1QHO_AVZA)
Julia Sweeney mentioned by Dawkins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inhgoaQtv5M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inhgoaQtv5M)