Parentsfortruth said:

Some of these people are so comfortable with their "special" layperson duties that they've been given. It's almost like a police officer with a new shiny badge, that is on a power trip. You can't talk to most of them.

That's an interesting theory.  As I was saying in the thread about my mom, I've recently gotten back in touch with my dad, after being estranged for many years, and since we last talked he has gone from an atheist to a full-blown Novus Ordo Catholic.  When I mentioned purgatory, his comment was "That's not the religion I converted to," not seeing at all that for me the idea that my mom is in purgatory is my great HOPE.  

They have also made him an "altar" server and he is really caught up in the community.  Is that how they draw you in, they flatter you and make you feel important?

It seems like everyone I talk to these days goes to the Novus Ordo church.  Even the cops who came when my mom died were Novus Ordo, at least two of them.  It's starting to feel like I'm in some Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie, I'm telling you.  Almost every week at Church some traditional Catholic ( but as Matthew says, we are just Catholics ) is dying or has died, my mom who went to CMRI with me is dead, and on and on.  But the Novus Ordos just keep coming.  I'm preparing my siege mentality.

Matthew (my son's name as well  :wink:)  You are right.  Using the expression "direct guidance" infers that I think I can make this decision for my nearly grown son (and daughter).  As an aside what do you call a nearly grown "child" ?  I guess either "son" or "daughter."  Anyway, I agree that ultimately it's going to be their choice, for better or for worse.  I think, however, that parent's should be respected by the sons/daughters "even" after the ripe old age of 18.  

I don't know that one thing is better than another; exposure to N.O. types versus Traditional Catholics via the internet.  The trouble is, we do not participate in a Traditional Catholic Parish, nor do we currently have any opportunities to do so.

Who our son and daughter have the most exposure and interaction with on a day to day basis are non Christians..through work, lessons, etc.  Our parish "life" is non existent, because our experience with them is that they are just as worldly as their "non believing" counterparts.  But I'm wondering if that's really fair.  Aren't N.O. that go to Mass every week and Holy Day, better than those without any Christian belief?

As I said, I realize I'm not in control of this.  That's why I'm not involved in "telling" my son or daughter to involve themselves in online Trad Catholic "dating" at this point.  What I've told them all these years is that they have to marry a practicing Catholic and that if they are called to marriage, who they marry is going to likely be the most important decision they will ever make ... for better or for worse.  They have also been taught that there's no point in pursuing getting to know someone better if they aren't prepared to be married...for our son that means a steady income and preparation to have a home and provide for a family.

He's nowhere near that at this point and I hope he holds it together.  He'll need lots of spiritual strength to resist the allures of the average 18-20 year old girl.  He's met plenty in his line of work and schooling.  Thankfully, nothing, so far.  

Of course that could change in a heartbeat ... and I'm praying day in and day out that God leads him in the right direction, St. Michael is his Patron.  We pray for his intercession every night.

Our daughter has zero interest in her appearance or dating or trying to attract boys.  She's interested in dogs and horses and continuing her education.  She believes it'll be years yet before she's in a position to consider being married. She also doesn't really know if that's going to be her vocation.

I'm going to have her read "The Catholic Girls Guide" in the next few weeks (I'm reading it now  :wink:).  It's a really good book that I wish I'd read when I was her age.

So, all in all, I can only hope and pray and be here to help our son and daughter transition to adulthood and offer "guidance" in making these very important decisions.

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Some of these people are so comfortable with their "special" layperson duties that they've been given. It's almost like a police officer with a new shiny badge, that is on a power trip. You can't talk to most of them.

It's starting to feel like I'm in some Invasion of the Body Snatchers movie, I'm telling you.  Almost every week at Church some traditional Catholic ( but as Matthew says, we are just Catholics ) is dying or has died, my mom who went to CMRI with me is dead, and on and on.  But the Novus Ordos just keep coming.  I'm preparing my siege mentality.

So true!!! YES!! I feel the exact same way.. its like I'm in some fake-o world and its surreal. I can't believe things are the way they are now and its just getting worse. Its not my lack of hope or anything, its just what it is. Peoples bodies are being taken over by insanity and hypocrisy. I really hope I can purge of the hypocrisy I have done in my life and hopefully am still not doing.

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I wouldn't be interested in marrying a NO Catholic. I would want to marry a Traditional Catholic woman. These days dating online on Traditional Catholic sites may be the only way some people can find a Traditional Catholic spouse. I know the SSPX has an online dating service. I'd use that before ever marrying an NO person.

 You might consider networking and contact other parishes.  I was at a small gathering in Cincy over the summer and met some Trads from OH and MI, and Cincy is around a 3.5hr drive for me.  In Evansville there are very few Trads so I have to meet people through other friends.

Its real easy to get access to our traditional faith online and through traditional books but it is very hard to know where to go to find traditional catholics to hook up with in your area.

There are singles, widowers, even homeschoolers like ourselves that are in need of a traditional catholic network. Some of us our fortunate to have high populations of traditionals but I think alot of us are isolated.

If anyone knows a facebook for traditional catholics Id like to know but for now this catholic forum is the next best thing.

That's what I'm saying. I know a lot of Catholics who would not hesitate to become Traditionalists, and I'm doing my part, I'm sharing the info.

The problem I see is not that the people would reject the Traditionalist Movement, the problem I see is that the Traditionalist Movement has not reached a lot of Catholics like them yet.

Putting them on a Box together with Protestants do not help, that's isolation. I can't imagine St. Paul keeping it just among His closest Friends...

There you go, that's the spirit!  What a joy to read these loving words!  
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There's a thread at AngelQueen about an unfortunate man's marital troubles.  She is Novus Ordo, he's not.  His wife wants out of the marriage and went to the Novus Ordo tribunal to get an annulment.  She got it.  They have kids.

There's a cautionary tale for anyone who answers in the affirmative to the question proposed in the title of this thread.  Novus Ordo-minded people and traditional-minded people are like oil and water, in many cases.  

I have seen this from personal experience.  I know of another man who is married to a militant Novus Ordo woman.  He is in misery.  Since the Novus Ordo has a strong feminist component, many women are attracted to it and these women are, in my opinion, to be avoided like the plague.  

But remember how easy it is to get annulments in the Novus Ordo, and just how different that "religion" ( of self, not of God ) is despite being nominally Catholic.  

There's a thread at AngelQueen about an unfortunate man's marital troubles.  She is Novus Ordo, he's not.  His wife wants out of the marriage and went to the Novus Ordo tribunal to get an annulment.  She got it.    

That about like taking a wooden nickel for your paycheck.  They are still married plain and simple.  No is all about what people want.
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