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Offline Gunter

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Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
« on: October 01, 2022, 07:13:49 AM »
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  • Earlier this week I prayed and petitioned heaven by asking for the coals of evil that individuals do to return unto them and crush their evil.  I'm tired of being in the mix with the workers of secret agendas and outright theft under the banner of position of decision or capitalist gaming. Not sure if a layman can ask for justice in such ways?  My prayers were answered.  


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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #1 on: October 01, 2022, 07:27:21 AM »
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  • I think imprecatory prayers are allowed but it’s better to follow the biblical wording ( as in the psalms) to avoid it from turning into a curse itself.


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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #2 on: October 01, 2022, 07:47:18 AM »
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  • Starting a prayer with "I curse the evil, or evil forces" that .... is what I did and petitioned with a Hail Mary and Remember oh most Gracious Virgin Mary 

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    « Reply #3 on: October 01, 2022, 07:51:32 AM »
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  • These are active plotters and planners. It's completely frustrating to let it go on.  This is how God is offended by my sins surely.  Praise be the most merciful Blessed Trinity.

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #4 on: October 01, 2022, 07:52:07 AM »
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  • Just worry about yourself, and let God worry about what He does with / for others.


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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #5 on: October 01, 2022, 07:57:50 AM »
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  • Earlier this week I prayed and petitioned heaven by asking for the coals of evil that individuals do to return unto them and crush their evil.  I'm tired of being in the mix with the workers of secret agendas and outright theft under the banner of position of decision or capitalist gaming. Not sure if a layman can ask for justice in such ways?  My prayers were answered. 
    "Thy will be done."

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #6 on: October 01, 2022, 08:01:34 AM »
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  • As a father of seven that's not what we do.  I come from strong Catholic stock.  My father was even referred to as intrepid by his priest in confession. Basically I don't know of any religious more prayerful and believing than my parents.  God is more powerful than the devil and those willingly allied with him.

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #7 on: October 01, 2022, 08:03:19 AM »
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  • God uses the tyranny of the wicked to purify the just and punish them for their sins in this world. You'd be better off offering these sufferings up for your sins.


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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #8 on: October 01, 2022, 08:05:45 AM »
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  • Someone once said "I'm mad as -ell and I'm not going to take this anymore". People have their limits.

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    « Reply #9 on: October 01, 2022, 08:20:08 AM »
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  • Someone once said "I'm mad as -ell and I'm not going to take this anymore". People have their limits.
    That person was not a saint.

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #10 on: October 01, 2022, 08:25:07 AM »
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  • Agreed.  


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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2022, 08:48:08 AM »
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  • I think imprecatory prayers are allowed but it’s better to follow the biblical wording ( as in the psalms) to avoid it from turning into a curse itself.
    Indeed. In the Monastic Diurnal, the Saturday Lauds festal canticle is Ecclus. 36:1-13 and follows the spirit of what I think OP intends

    [1] Have mercy upon us, O God of all, and behold us, and shew us the light of thy mercies: [2] And send thy fear upon the nations, that have not sought after thee: that they may know that there is no God beside thee, and that they may shew forth thy wonders. [3] Lift up thy hand over the strange nations, that they may see thy power. [4] For as thou hast been sanctified in us in their sight, so thou shalt be magnified among them in our presence, [5] That they may know thee, as we also have known thee, that there is no God beside thee, O Lord.

    [6] Renew thy signs, and work new miracles. [7] Glorify thy hand, and thy right arm. [8] Raise up indignation, and pour out wrath. [9] Take away the adversary, and crush the enemy. [10] Hasten the time, and remember the end, that they may declare thy wonderful works.

    [11] Let him that escapeth be consumed by the rage of the fire: and let them perish that oppress thy people. [12] Crush the head of the princes of the enemies that say: There is no other beside us. [13] Gather together all the tribes of Jacob: that they may know that there is no God besides thee, and may declare thy great works: and thou shalt inherit them as from the beginning.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #12 on: October 01, 2022, 08:56:14 AM »
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  • Psalm 136 is another OP could pray, as well as the canticle of Judith 16. Both offer prayers for vengeance on God's enemies
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #13 on: October 01, 2022, 09:56:56 AM »
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  • Pray the St Michael's Prayer.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Would it ever be permissable to pray to curse evil in the world
    « Reply #14 on: October 01, 2022, 10:08:44 AM »
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  • Blessed be God.  Brothers and sisters may Our Lord and His Blessed Mother pour forth graces into your daily affairs. Thank you.