Author Topic: Women playing sports Working Out (Read 22691 times)

Mithrandylan · « **Reply #75 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:32:05 AM »

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Dude, the question was why are they masculine? Intuitively and immediately we call such things masculine but the question is now posed "why?"

I'm not disagreeing that those activities have a masculine slant. But I'm echoing the question why? What is it about those behaviors that makes them masculine? "Because they are" isn't an answer.

I see I have to yet again remind you 'dude' that this is a conversation between two people, not including yourself. Masculine sports are epitomized by physical strength, hard blows, and the like, something women cannot take part in which is why those sports are only masculine.

If you don't want people to reply to you, you probably shouldn't post on an internet forum.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:33:12 AM »

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Not never. There are wimpy men, and strong women. And a woman on adrenaline can kick around a man any day. Ask a police officer. But what if they are paired against themselves?

Oh, okay let me say it again. A REAL MAN would never be beaten by a woman, maybe a wimpy boy would though.

Again you would be okay with two women beating the tar out of eachother? How is that feminine?

Thorn · « **Reply #77 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:35:28 AM »

Trad Guy, this is a public forum, not a private conversation between 2 people.
Baseball is a sport of "hard blows" & "physical strength"?? What kind of baseball are you watching?
Answer the other person's question!

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #78 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:36:50 AM »

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Trad Guy, this is a public forum, not a private conversation between 2 people.
Baseball is a sport of "hard blows" & "physical strength"?? What kind of baseball are you watching?
Answer the other person's question!

Calm down.

Baseball has a very 'hard ball' that can give plenty of 'blows' to the head I can clue you that.

Scriptorium · « **Reply #79 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:43:40 AM »

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Not never. There are wimpy men, and strong women. And a woman on adrenaline can kick around a man any day. Ask a police officer. But what if they are paired against themselves?

Oh, okay let me say it again. A REAL MAN would never be beaten by a woman, maybe a wimpy boy would though.

Again you would be okay with two women beating the tar out of eachother? How is that feminine?

You're the one making claims. I want to know genuinely. If we're going to start dictating minute details of women's lives, I figure we should have a reason to give. You seem to be very specific, like certain sports, so I want to be clued into your reasoning. Or is it really just arbitrary?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #80 on:** August 02, 2012, 08:47:23 AM »

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You're the one making claims. I want to know genuinely. If we're going to start dictating minute details of women's lives, I figure we should have a reason to give. You seem to be very specific, like certain sports, so I want to be clued into your reasoning. Or is it really just arbitrary?

I already told you my reasoning, look at the post above you about 4 posts about myself saying that these sports are characterized by a real hardness and toughness not meant for a woman, and I am making no claims just asking you some genuine questions. And yes women should be dictated to for most have leftist leanings that should be kept in check, most of all compassion and 'equality.'

Scriptorium · « **Reply #81 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:05:45 AM »

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You're the one making claims. I want to know genuinely. If we're going to start dictating minute details of women's lives, I figure we should have a reason to give. You seem to be very specific, like certain sports, so I want to be clued into your reasoning. Or is it really just arbitrary?

I already told you my reasoning, look at the post above you about 4 posts about myself saying that these sports are characterized by a real hardness and toughness not meant for a woman, and I am making no claims just asking you some genuine questions. And yes women should be dictated to for most have leftist leanings that should be kept in check, most of all compassion and 'equality.'

Yes, I read what you wrote. You are making new claims, though. And yes you are making claims. "A real hardness and toughness not meant for a woman" is a claim about women. "These sports are characterized by a real hardness and toughness" is another claim about those sports. Why are they not meant for women? Are these sports by their nature "hard" and "tough"?

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #82 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:12:10 AM »

A lot of sports (even if just girl against girl) encourage masculine behavior. Hockey is a good example.

One really unfair thing that has resulted from girls getting into traditionally male sports is that it takes away opportunities for men due to the laws governing athletics at high school and college levels.

Not sure if it has been studied, but from my own anecdotal observation it seems that the athletic females who go beyond tennis etc. tend to become all around tomboys who are highly competitive and want male opportunities in every area of their lives. These probably aren't the girls who are going to want lots of babies or who are fulfilled taking care of their husbands and children, and who enjoy being domestic.

What does Catholic teaching say about womanhood? What qualities should young ladies want to develop? Ability to throw fast pitch all afternoon and order takeout, or to take care of people, run a home etc. ? What lifestyle encourages nurturing and virtuous women?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #83 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:23:42 AM »

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These probably aren't the girls who are going to want lots of babies or who are fulfilled taking care of their husbands and children, and who enjoy being domestic.

What modern women are these days? (no offense)

I guess it depends on the personality of the individual.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #84 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:27:53 AM »

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Yes, I read what you wrote. You are making new claims, though. And yes you are making claims. "A real hardness and toughness not meant for a woman" is a claim about women. "These sports are characterized by a real hardness and toughness" is another claim about those sports. Why are they not meant for women? Are these sports by their nature "hard" and "tough"?

Yes to the last question and these sports are characterized by a manly toughness such as physical violence not meant for a woman. Even in baseball the ball itself can be dangerous. If you've ever been hit in the head by a baseball you know what I'm talking about. In football the defense definitely tries to 'drag down' the opponent, again not something meant for women. And boxing's very characterisitc is physical violence and toughness by pure steel dexterity, not meant for a feminine creature.

Jaynek · « **Reply #85 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:28:26 AM »

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I see nothing wrong with a woman's basketball team as long as women are on it only but football, baseball, and boxing, along with weight-lifting are definitely masculine. You think that a woman can deal with that sort of exercise? Not to mention that the gender roles should not be interchangeable. That is a Frankfurt School theory.

After researching which exercises would give me the greatest health benefits, I concluded that my fitness routine should include weight lifting. I have bench pressed over 100 pounds. I can dead lift at that weight too. This might not be as much as a man lifts, but it is a significant amount and I can deal with it just fine.

I have not gotten bulky or masculine looking. It gives me firm toned muscles that are not even noticeable in the modest clothing that I habitually wear. My husband, however, notices and is pleased. I would expect just about any man (including "real men") to appreciate a healthy physique in his wife.

I appreciate that exercise gives me more strength and energy to apply to my duties as wife and mother. As well as weight lifting, my fitness routine includes Pilates, walking and cycling.

Scriptorium · « **Reply #86 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:28:58 AM »

Here's what camogie is like:

And here is what the girls are like:

Seem pretty normal and feminine to me. Maybe it has more to do with the Bigger, Stronger, Faster mentality of Americans.

Scriptorium · « **Reply #87 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:30:16 AM »

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Yes to the last question and these sports are characterized by a manly toughness such as physical violence not meant for a woman. Even in baseball the ball itself can be dangerous. If you've ever been hit in the head by a baseball you know what I'm talking about. In football the defense definitely tries to 'drag down' the opponent, again not something meant for women. And boxing's very characterisitc is physical violence and toughness by pure steel dexterity, not meant for a feminine creature.

Okay, so you have no answer.

Jaynek · « **Reply #88 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:32:25 AM »

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Good explanation.

Why don't you mind your own business? I think for a REAL MAN it is obvious what sports are masculine and what are feminine.

Another masculine quality is logical thinking. I think for a REAL MAN it is obvious that this is a logical fallacy. Even some women can tell.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #89 on:** August 02, 2012, 09:33:48 AM »

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Yes to the last question and these sports are characterized by a manly toughness such as physical violence not meant for a woman. Even in baseball the ball itself can be dangerous. If you've ever been hit in the head by a baseball you know what I'm talking about. In football the defense definitely tries to 'drag down' the opponent, again not something meant for women. And boxing's very characterisitc is physical violence and toughness by pure steel dexterity, not meant for a feminine creature.

Okay, so you have no answer.

Are these not historically masculine sports? I don't see what the real 'dilemna' is here. I know what characterizes a man. We do not need to have a Frankfurt School babble about the 'indecisiveness' of gender roles.