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Offline amiga

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« on: October 31, 2007, 08:53:22 PM »
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  • Christ on my daily round

    I pray each morn that I may not be blind
    To Christ, Who moves that day among my kind.
    I dare not turn a hungry man away,
    Lest I be leaving Him unfed today.
    I dare not slight some tattered, unclothed one,
    Lest I should fail


    Offline Kephapaulos

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    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2007, 09:30:31 PM »
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  • I would not say it is forbidden, but a woman going to university would be discouraged if it is done for selfish reasons and not out of actual necessity to be able to survive if the woman is not getting married anytime in the near future. If it was forbidden after all, that would mean that every single woman who is attending university today is in mortal sin until the day she graduates, which is absurd of course.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


    Offline MichaelSolimanto

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    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2007, 10:34:36 PM »
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  • No woman can be forbidden, but discouraged for moral and societal reasons. First, many women get bigger ideas of themselves after a degree and struggle with the idea of being a stay at home mother, and secondly it may conflict with their husband if they cannot temper their pride if they feel he is intellectually superior (something I've seen many times).

    Lastly, all actions aim to one's perfection. If it is done to get a noble feminine career in nursing or in teaching I can see the need. Most people do it for career hunting and here there is a grave danger as people now place their careers above the good of the family. They will feel like they wasted time and money.

    On a different subject I don't think men or women should be going to universities unless they can be done online or in the proximity of their homes because of the great loss of innocence and Hell that goes on at most of them. Most people I knew from high school are avowed atheists, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, deviants, or picked up other vices of some sort. Most of the ideological formation is anti-Catholic, feminist, egalitarian, and morally depraved. Most departments of philosophy hate the idea of truth (which is a paradox considering the subject) and they hurt the minds of youth because people think professors are so intelligent when in fact so many of them are idiots prancing around with agendas with easy to obtain PhDs.

    Never in the history of the world has young people picked up and ran off from home without being grounded in their finality of their state in life first, and even then it was rare. This was so that the wisdom of your family can help you in dark times with bad influences. Some I know even run to college to escape a bad family situation, and for this reason I could see it as something permissable, but only if the school was trying to have some semblance of a truly Catholic life like St. Mary's in Kansas.
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    Michael Solimanto

    Offline erin is nice

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    « Reply #3 on: November 01, 2007, 08:48:33 AM »
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  • To summarize Mr. Solimanto's argument: women shouldn't go to college or else they will get uppity and their (potential) husbands might be intimidated by an educated woman.

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    « Reply #4 on: November 01, 2007, 09:48:43 AM »
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  • I didn't go to university. I didn't need to to get uppity!

    See, not going to university didn't make me into a lady!

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    Offline MichaelSolimanto

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    « Reply #5 on: November 01, 2007, 09:52:34 AM »
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    To summarize Mr. Solimanto's argument: women shouldn't go to college or else they will get uppity and their (potential) husbands might be intimidated by an educated woman.


    Are you denying the obvious that this happens? My sister and brother-in-law are a prime case, and so are many of the couples I used to help in their marriage when I was a seminarian and people used to ask for help. Have you read about the phenomena of women who are successful at their corporate jobs marrying janitors and mechanics to have a leg up on them as feminists and all divorced.

    It can and frequently does create resentment. I never said that a man might be intimidated, but it might cause resentments later on by BOTH the husbands and/or the wives.

    Thanks for making this a guy issue when nothing I said intimated that. Ahhh, feminists...
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    « Reply #6 on: November 01, 2007, 09:56:48 AM »
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    It can and frequently does create resentment. I never said that a man might be intimidated, but it might cause resentments later on by BOTH the husbands and/or the wives.

    Thanks for making this a guy issue when nothing I said intimated that. Ahhh, feminists...


    Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated.

    Offline gilbertgea

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    « Reply #7 on: November 01, 2007, 10:16:05 AM »
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  • "Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated."

    Only an anti-Catholic feminist would encourage women being educated beyond that which is necessary for her survival.


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    « Reply #8 on: November 01, 2007, 10:17:41 AM »
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    "Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated."

    Only an anti-Catholic feminist would encourage women being educated beyond that which is necessary for her survival.

    Is the Catholic Church anti-Catholic, then?

    I'm pretty sure that the Church has educated women beyond the bare minimum necessary for their survival.

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    « Reply #9 on: November 01, 2007, 10:19:00 AM »
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    No woman can be forbidden, but discouraged for moral and societal reasons. First, many women get bigger ideas of themselves after a degree and struggle with the idea of being a stay at home mother, and secondly it may conflict with their husband if they cannot temper their pride if they feel he is intellectually superior (something I've seen many times).
     


    Another example of creepiness.

    Offline erin is nice

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    « Reply #10 on: November 01, 2007, 10:20:17 AM »
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    "Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated."

    Only an anti-Catholic feminist would encourage women being educated beyond that which is necessary for her survival.


    Wow there sure have been a lot of anti-Catholic saints then!  You don't even need to be able to read to "survive".


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    « Reply #11 on: November 01, 2007, 10:24:37 AM »
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    Quote from: gilbertgea
    "Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated."

    Only an anti-Catholic feminist would encourage women being educated beyond that which is necessary for her survival.


    Wow there sure have been a lot of anti-Catholic saints then!  You don't even need to be able to read to "survive".


    Don't even need to learn how to use utensils to survive.

    Edit: These threads are getting dumber by the minute

    Offline Dulcamara

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    « Reply #12 on: November 01, 2007, 10:52:56 PM »
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  •  I think more than any of these things, or at least as important as the issue of "woman's proper place" is the part everybody is forgetting... So many places of public education are scandalous occasions of sin. Who hasn't heard about the drugs and drinking (and dare I say, even 'hazing'?) and what have you going on in colleges?

     Whether it's good for a woman as a woman is only one issue. Whether it's a serious occasion of sin (not the least of which may be the idea to embrace being a "career woman" instead of a housewife which would probably help her salvation more), is an equally if not more grievous point of the question.

     Finally, even if you could find a place of 'higher education' where such things weren't going on (I'd be shocked if you could, but... for argument's sake) where can you find a place that isn't also riddled with lies being taught as truth, and students being forced to conform to those lies... eg, liberalism, evolutionism and the like... Psychology, for instance, in the light of God, the Father of Truth, is little more than a sick joke with all it's adherence to Freud and the like, with no regard for the reality of the human soul, and human nature which includes and is effected by that soul.

    Many subjects, I'm sure, are riddled with this problem, and that's as relevant to men as women, I might add. Just what are you going to learn where God, and all truths pointing to Him, are forbidden? Since truth is a solid body, not a lot of parts that you can separate, and keep some apart from others, when you deny the very foundation of truth, reality and this whole universe, you can hardly expect any assumptions or theories based upon such a belief to be trustworthy, or true.

     Even in the arts, one is faced with having liberal ideas shoved down one's throat, while greats like Dante are taboo to discuss beyond how horrific the inferno is (most students would say cool at best, but more probably 'boring'). You'll spend time studying modern poets and writers who touted liberal ideas, while Shakespeare is treated like an interesting antique.

     There are greater problems with universities or colleges than merely should women attend them rather than stay home and be mothers. There are serious moral issues, and issues of what it is you will be paying to learn there.

     When I was younger I used to wonder why it would be wrong for someone who knows the truth to read literature from other religions. As the years passed, I realized that at least in part it's because whatever we are exposed to will be planted like seeds in our minds, and there fester with the danger of sprouting into something very like a weed... deadly to any fruitful plants, and darn hard to kill. Having seen television rob myself (earlier in my life) and others around me of their moral scruples, I can attest to the fact that we're a lot more impressionable than we would like to think. The thoughts will be there, whether we want them or not. And if we hear nothing but those thoughts all the time, it begins to eat away at the roots of faith at a level generally well beyond our noticing or protecting against it.

    I'd venture to guess most fallen away Catholics didn't get that way over night.


    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #13 on: November 01, 2007, 11:14:03 PM »
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    Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated.


    We all have pride and insecurities, it all depends on to what degree. To think it can't happen to real people and who have real problems is naive at best, just plain stupid at worst.
    God bless,
    Michael Solimanto

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    « Reply #14 on: November 01, 2007, 11:15:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vandaler
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    "Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated."

    Only an anti-Catholic feminist would encourage women being educated beyond that which is necessary for her survival.


    Wow there sure have been a lot of anti-Catholic saints then!  You don't even need to be able to read to "survive".


    Don't even need to learn how to use utensils to survive.

    Edit: These threads are getting dumber by the minute


    Sadly, yes. Feminism does that. It dummies down the dignity of the conversation with stupid comments that are Legion.
    God bless,
    Michael Solimanto