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Offline lthngsbrtnbtfl

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« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2007, 12:20:26 PM »
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  • All of the points that have been made here--with a few exceptions--have been quite good...But again, I wish to add another twist.

    As has already been brought up, the state of education in this world--and not just higher education!!!--has fallen into the toilet, literally.  There's lots of "knowledge" floating around, but little intelligence, and no wisdom.  The tragic thing is that it starts on day one, the minute the school system has your child in their claws.  The great majority of parochial schools are scarcely better, if not worse for the errors they spread.  There is no need to wait for College or University for the souls in question to be gravely imperiled.

    That's why people of morals are leaving these schools in droves and homeschooling their children, and fighting an uphill battle.  And while no college degree is remotely necessary to teach children, it can be immensely helpful.

    If you want your (male?) children to have a truly good education, how will you do it?  Gone are the days of sending your children to the seminary school or the convent school.  Gone are the days of learned monks tutoring pupils.  Dad may or may not be intellectually and/or morally superior to Mom.  (See my post in "How about this issue" on the realities of male and female roles in our world that is saturated with not only feminism but rampant ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity...)  Either way, unless (God forbid!) Mom is the breadwinner, Dad simply hasn't time to be in charge of the children's education.  Would you rather have them in the hands of someone who only knows survival-level skills?

    There is a great deal to be said for the corrupting influence of college, born both from the hedonism of the student body and the intellectual rot of the professors.  After 5 years at a top University, I gained a degree in Classical Architecture with a very informal minor in Italian language and Philosophy.  I also was utterly dissolute.  

    Thankfully, God's immense grace saved me from my errors, but I retain the gift of my education.  By His grace, I also learned to put aside my pride and my career for motherhood.  But much of what I am today I could not have been, had I not been exposed to many of the things I was exposed to in University.  It would take a book to ennumerate the myriad instances of wisdom gained from my years there.  I never fell into Atheism, but as we all know, being a NO Catholic can sometimes be not much better.  A Philosophy class lit a fire within me that has continued to consume me as I continue to seek God in the many ways He allows us to know Him.

    God in his wisdom has granted me many talents--I say this without pride or vanity, but as pure fact--with which He fully expects that I shall glorify Him.  I could never do so (without inordinate frustration) had I been denied the opportunity to put them to good use with my education.  I understand Gilbertgea's desire to simplify and codify, but God did not create cows to be Man's companion. He saw that the animals were not a good companion for him, so He created woman, from Adam's rib--from the same stuff.  He gave us minds, he gave us talents and gifts, so that we could be a truly worthy companion.  He did not create us as mindless chattel.  And he expects us to put his gifts to good use.  Sometimes we can accomplish this without formal education.  Sometimes formal education can coalesce those abilities more effectively than any other way.

    So again, I'm going to use my favorite word:  We must use discernment to discover what is right for each of us, individually.  We cannot always run from the world.  Sometimes we must engage it in battle.  We cannot effectively do that inside our caves.  There is much wisdom to be gained--even from learning about evil!  We can sit around and wish for a perfect world, or we can teach our children about its pitfalls so that they can more proficiently navigate them.

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    Lisa
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    « Reply #46 on: November 08, 2007, 12:47:01 PM »
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  • Amen.  :rolleyes:
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi


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    « Reply #47 on: February 21, 2008, 01:28:24 PM »
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  • I would certainly agree that you need to have some activity to do, some cause to donate yourself to, or some part-time work, to give you something to do before you have kids.

    Raising kids is a full time job -- unless necessity requires it, it is not wise to try to do outside work AND raising kids. I think that one of them always suffers. But that is OK and God will take care of you IF you need to work for economic reasons -- and of course that doesn't mean "so I can have a new car every 4 years".

    Anyhow, I'd say that a stay-at-home mom is one thing, and a "stay at home housewife" (i.e., no kids yet) is a completely different thing.

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    « Reply #48 on: February 21, 2008, 05:38:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: gilbertgea
    "Only a prideful, insecure man would be resentful of his wife being educated."

    Only an anti-Catholic feminist would encourage women being educated beyond that which is necessary for her survival.


    I would encourage EVERYONE to learn as much as possible in this life, whether formally, or not. All women should have the right to be educated to the furthest extent that they choose!  

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    « Reply #49 on: February 23, 2008, 06:32:34 PM »
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  • Anyhow, I'd say that a stay-at-home mom is one thing, and a "stay at home housewife" (i.e., no kids yet) is a completely different thing.

    I think this is an important distinction to make and agree wholeheartedly with Chant. All the reasons why I would stay at home rather than work when married relate to children, but if I get married I will work until I have kids- unless, of course, I marry someone fabulously wealthy, and then I won't have to work  :rahrah:*


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    « Reply #50 on: February 24, 2008, 12:49:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: MichaelSolimanto
    No woman can be forbidden, but discouraged for moral and societal reasons. First, many women get bigger ideas of themselves after a degree and struggle with the idea of being a stay at home mother, and secondly it may conflict with their husband if they cannot temper their pride if they feel he is intellectually superior (something I've seen many times).

    Lastly, all actions aim to one's perfection. If it is done to get a noble feminine career in nursing or in teaching I can see the need. Most people do it for career hunting and here there is a grave danger as people now place their careers above the good of the family. They will feel like they wasted time and money.

    On a different subject I don't think men or women should be going to universities unless they can be done online or in the proximity of their homes because of the great loss of innocence and Hell that goes on at most of them. Most people I knew from high school are avowed atheists, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, deviants, or picked up other vices of some sort. Most of the ideological formation is anti-Catholic, feminist, egalitarian, and morally depraved. Most departments of philosophy hate the idea of truth (which is a paradox considering the subject) and they hurt the minds of youth because people think professors are so intelligent when in fact so many of them are idiots prancing around with agendas with easy to obtain PhDs.

    Never in the history of the world has young people picked up and ran off from home without being grounded in their finality of their state in life first, and even then it was rare. This was so that the wisdom of your family can help you in dark times with bad influences. Some I know even run to college to escape a bad family situation, and for this reason I could see it as something permissable, but only if the school was trying to have some semblance of a truly Catholic life like St. Mary's in Kansas.


    I agree 100% with Mike.

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    « Reply #51 on: February 24, 2008, 01:55:31 AM »
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  • Quote from: Incognito
    Can I ask that the ladies lay off of Micheal, please?  He is trying to help, can you try to keep that in mind?  I have almost always found what he has written on these forums to be helpful and often edifying.  Can he be abrasive at times?  Sure, I've told him that before.  Just because you may not like the way a message is delivered, don't dismiss what he is saying out of hand.  He clearly loves the Church and cares about souls.  Perhaps, instead of attacking him, you could read what he writes a couple of times through and try to understand what he is saying without getting defensive?  


    I agree. Mike has always given advice that will lead a soul to holiness-not only in this forum but in others also.

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    « Reply #52 on: February 24, 2008, 01:59:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
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    So telling someone the truth is condescending? What should I say?  


    It is not the 'what', Mike.  A statement can be truthful, yet delivered in a condescending manner.  It is not always what you say, but HOW YOU SAY IT.


    I'm sorry but I read Mike's first post and I saw absolutely no trace of condescension there. Maybe those who saw it as condescending are those who disagree with him in the first place - when one reads something that they get angry reading, then because they are already on the defensive, the will see words written in charity as condescending.