Author Topic: Women going to college? (Read 24921 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:00:32 PM »

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This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

how does a degree in math not help in the education of children? a degree in english? a degree in history? chemistry? science? biology? physics? etc,etc....

My mother doesn't have a degree, yet she did a heck of a good job homeschooling me...

Telesphorus · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:01:03 PM »

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you needs a major operation and the best educated and trained man for the job happens to be a woman. With children. Home schooled by Dad.

I've never had experience with a female surgeon that did major surgeries. Never encountered one.

Clelia · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:02:16 PM »

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you needs a major operation and the best educated and trained man for the job happens to be a woman. With children. Home schooled by Dad.

I've never had experience with a female surgeon that did major surgeries. Never encountered one.

A highly educated and trained Heart Surgeon saved my Dad's life about 15 years ago. I was grateful.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:02:36 PM »

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you needs a major operation and the best educated and trained man for the job happens to be a woman. With children. Home schooled by Dad.

I've never had experience with a female surgeon that did major surgeries. Never encountered one.

I know one that lives in Arizona, never met her though. I, of course, prefer male surgeons.

Clelia · « **Reply #34 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:03:47 PM »

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This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

how does a degree in math not help in the education of children? a degree in english? a degree in history? chemistry? science? biology? physics? etc,etc....

My mother doesn't have a degree, yet she did a heck of a good job homeschooling me...

I also did a good job homeschooling mine, but, some subject were problems for me. Math, especially.

egoveritas · « **Reply #35 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:04:24 PM »

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He didn't give us "free will" to do evil?

He gave us free will to freely choose good, not to do objectively evil things without other people interfering.

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it is not intrinsically evil there is no law of man or God saying women are forbidden to serve their country.

It is intrinsically evil for women to be "soldiers" - it's not about serving the country. The roles between men and women in the military have been hopelessly blurred. It's entering an occasion of sin, for an illegitimate purpose, to be a female "soldier."

The military culture is godless and corrupt. But it's full of strapping young men. What kind of parent could tolerate their daughter going into such a sheltered situation?

Only a parent who really doesn't have Catholic values.

and who are you to dictate weather its evil or not. its only evil if you make it evil women in the military are not in and of itself intrinsically evil.

Clelia · « **Reply #36 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:04:43 PM »

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you needs a major operation and the best educated and trained man for the job happens to be a woman. With children. Home schooled by Dad.

I've never had experience with a female surgeon that did major surgeries. Never encountered one.

I know one that lives in Arizona, never met her though. I, of course, prefer male surgeons.

I prefer the best surgeon available.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #37 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:05:13 PM »

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He didn't give us "free will" to do evil?

He gave us free will to freely choose good, not to do objectively evil things without other people interfering.

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it is not intrinsically evil there is no law of man or God saying women are forbidden to serve their country.

It is intrinsically evil for women to be "soldiers" - it's not about serving the country. The roles between men and women in the military have been hopelessly blurred. It's entering an occasion of sin, for an illegitimate purpose, to be a female "soldier."

The military culture is godless and corrupt. But it's full of strapping young men. What kind of parent could tolerate their daughter going into such a sheltered situation?

Only a parent who really doesn't have Catholic values.

and who are you to dictate weather its evil or not. its only evil if you make it evil women in the military are not in and of itself intrinsically evil.

It's what the CHURCH teaches, and they teach that career women are in sin.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #38 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:05:27 PM »

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[how does a degree in math not help in the education of children? a degree in english? a degree in history? chemistry? science? biology? physics? etc,etc....

There's nothing preventing a married woman who really wants to from taking courses and studying math, history, chemistry, etc.

If that was the real reason young women went to college, to help to educate their children, they would do it whether they were married or with children or not.

But married women with children would quickly realize the folly of spending time and money on such pursuits. The idea that a girl would go to college to study math to later teach her homeschooled children math is absurd.

That's not why they go. The motivations have to do with pride, and far worse.

egoveritas · « **Reply #39 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:06:40 PM »

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This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

how does a degree in math not help in the education of children? a degree in english? a degree in history? chemistry? science? biology? physics? etc,etc....

My mother doesn't have a degree, yet she did a heck of a good job homeschooling me...

I also did a good job homeschooling mine, but, some subject were problems for me. Math, especially.

every one has a weak subject. my mom homeschooled as well.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:07:55 PM »

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and who are you to dictate weather its evil or not. its only evil if you make it evil women in the military are not in and of itself intrinsically evil.

Is it moral to draft women to serve in the military? Is it moral for women to be soldiers, like men? That's crazy. The Church teaches there are different roles for men and women. Women should not be soldiers.

There was a time when the role of women in the military was feminine and compartmentalized. It still was probably a bad environment for women, but now it's an utterly corrupt and horrible environment.

Clelia · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:10:20 PM »

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[how does a degree in math not help in the education of children? a degree in english? a degree in history? chemistry? science? biology? physics? etc,etc....

There's nothing preventing a married woman who really wants to from taking courses and studying math, history, chemistry, etc.

If that was the real reason young women went to college, to help to educate their children, they would do it whether they were married or with children or not.

But married women with children would quickly realize the folly of spending time and money on such pursuits. The idea that a girl would go to college to study math to later teach her homeschooled children math is absurd.

That's not why they go. The motivations have to do with pride, and far worse.

I only agree with that because it is true of many women. NOT ALL.

The Church does NOT TEACH that this is THE ONLY role of women!
It teaches to be fruitful and multiply, but if we do not find a good and loving mate right away, we ought to get some kind of education in the best possible school armed with the True Faith and be a true helpmate to our husbands if the need arises. Or, to be a good Doctor like St. Giana Molla. This sounds more like a Chauvenist position rather than a rational one.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:12:11 PM »

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It teaches to be fruitful and multiply, but if we do not find a good and loving mate right away, we ought to get some kind of education in the best possible school armed with the True Faith and be a true helpmate to our husbands if the need arises.

When has the Church ever taught this?

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This sounds more like a Chauvenist position rather than a rational one.

I think men who lazily encourage their wives to work are the ones with the Chauvenist position.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #43 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:12:19 PM »

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I only agree with that because it is true of many women. NOT ALL.

Yes, not all, but it's so common these days. It's important we not pretend that the exception is the rule, just because a girl is trad. Being exposed to a college environment will have a negative influence on young women. It has. Look at the last 50 years.

egoveritas · « **Reply #44 on:** April 23, 2012, 09:13:32 PM »

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He didn't give us "free will" to do evil?

He gave us free will to freely choose good, not to do objectively evil things without other people interfering.

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it is not intrinsically evil there is no law of man or God saying women are forbidden to serve their country.

It is intrinsically evil for women to be "soldiers" - it's not about serving the country. The roles between men and women in the military have been hopelessly blurred. It's entering an occasion of sin, for an illegitimate purpose, to be a female "soldier."

The military culture is godless and corrupt. But it's full of strapping young men. What kind of parent could tolerate their daughter going into such a sheltered situation?

Only a parent who really doesn't have Catholic values.

and who are you to dictate weather its evil or not. its only evil if you make it evil women in the military are not in and of itself intrinsically evil.

It's what the CHURCH teaches, and they teach that career women are in sin.

understandable if she is a mother neglecting her duty to her children and husband, but single women are free to choose. If its not morally wrong then it cant be mortally wrong.