Author Topic: Women going to college? (Read 24946 times)

egoveritas · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:40:12 PM »

it is not for us to dictate the paths or the choices of people. @mrsZ. we live in a world that is very different from what it was even 30yrs ago. women in the military, yes not a good idea but if your daughter has chosen that path then so be it, every choice is made for a reason. God gave us free will for the purpose of showing him weather we love Him enough to gain heaven. the choices we make determine our future but God and our guardian angel are always there to help us stay on track.
the role of a parent is to instruct and guide but never to enforce a way of life that they, the children, have not chosen. if parents force ideas on children then 99.9% of the time they rebel against that idea. the #1 thing to do is pray to God that your daughter never strays from the faith but there again that is her choice, her crosses. The mother of St. Augustine, St. Monica, never stopped praying for him even though he led a life full of sin in the beginning but by the power of prayer he came around and is considered the greatest doctor of the church.
We cant determine the hearts and minds of men, nor the plans God has in store for us. We must go on praying, trusting, and having faith in God

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Telesphorus · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:41:54 PM »

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Today, people divorce becaue they marry without waiting for the appropriate mate. Who suffers???

That isn't why they divorce. Today women wait longer than ever to marry (they're generally the ones making the decision) and the divorce rate is higher than ever.

It's true no one should marry someone unless they really believe in the match. I've read accounts of many women confessing after divorces that they knew on their wedding day they were marrying the wrong person.

There are justifiable reasons for women to attend college, but there are no justifiable reasons for putting off marriage. but this talk about "waiting for the right one to come along" is a form of rationalization. Why is it rationalization? Because people literally get angry at young women marrying. So-called Catholics get angry with it. They'd much rather the young women be "having fun" in college. Where are their priorities? With the bourgeois values of the world, not with Catholic values.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:42:04 PM »

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But, we must be prudent. Women need to be educated and even STAND UP to DEFEND THE FAITH when called upon.

You can learn how to defend the Faith without going to college, if that's what you are saying.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:48:03 PM »

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God gave us free will for the purpose of showing him weather we love Him enough to gain heaven.

He didn't give us "free will" to do evil without consequence or interference. Why is it whenever we hear discussions of women wanting to do things that are wrong we hear talk about "free will." and letting them do it. When it comes to men doing things that are wrong we hear talk about compulsion and punishment.

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the role of a parent is to instruct and guide but never to enforce a way of life that they, the children, have not chosen.

There are legitimate paths and illegitimate ones. Parents do have a duty to refuse to support, and to take steps to prevent, evil paths.

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if parents force ideas on children then 99.9% of the time they rebel against that idea.

"Force" - who's talking about force? There's only so much power she has. We're talking about disapproving of an immoral decision. If parents take steps to prevent immoral behavior in their children, that will cause the children to behave immorally?

That's absurd reasoning. It's also feministic reasoning. It's saying: "if you tell me to do x, I'll just do the opposite" - you're justifying rebelliousness, teaching acquiescence to bad decisions by claiming that opposition to bad decisions only encourages bad decisions.

egoveritas · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:48:12 PM »

I find that college is a good thing for women. I know a lot of mothers who have gone to college after their husbands have died and were left with very little to go on. however if a mother has her degree in anything it is a very useful tool for homeschooling your children or getting a job to support the family you now have to be the bread winner for.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:50:20 PM »

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I find that college is a good thing for women. I know a lot of mothers who have gone to college after their husbands have died and were left with very little to go on. however if a mother has her degree in anything it is a very useful tool for homeschooling your children or getting a job to support the family you now have to be the bread winner for.

This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

egoveritas · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:51:43 PM »

He didn't give us "free will" to do evil? Why is it whenever we hear discussions of women wanting to do things that are wrong we hear about "free will."

it is not intrinsically evil there is no law of man or God saying women are forbidden to serve their country.

Clelia · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:52:52 PM »

To clarify that point, SpiritusSanctus, I meant to stand up for The Faith IN college. I did not state that clearly.

I hate college, and true, people should not "put off" getting married. All I'm saying is that we need to find the best school we can because not everyone finds the right mate or not at 18.

My friend is a Teacher - she stayed at home to home school and is happy. Yet, she will be able to get a job, PT or FT as needed, if her husband dies, gets sick, etc., and when the children are grown. Why? To eat. Otherwise, well, we do accept our crosses from God, but, He has a plan for all of us.

We should not pigeon-hole every women into one mold. That is all I am saying.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:53:16 PM »

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it is not intrinsically evil there is no law of man or God saying women are forbidden to serve their country.

No, no, no. The Church teaches that women are not to work outside the home unless absolutely necessary. And even if they must, they should stay away from jobs that are meant for mean, and especially jobs that put them in an ocassion of sin.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:54:18 PM »

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I find that college is a good thing for women.

The main reason young women go to college is to "have fun" and because they're told to do it, and shamed into not doing it. The sad reality is that even the most ostensibly traditional girls end up being drunken party girls - and don't even try to kid us into believing most of them are chaste. The career aspect is clearly secondary for most of them. Indeed, those that intend to marry, but have a career first, are typically going into jobs and displacing would be bread earners when they're at the height of their fertility.

In 50 years since college education has become the norm for women, what has happened to values about marriage, family and sex?

They've been destroyed. Literally so gone that even most Trads don't follow them, despite all the lip service.

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I know a lot of mothers who have gone to college after their husbands have died and were left with very little to go on. however if a mother has her degree in anything it is a very useful tool for homeschooling your children or getting a job to support the family you now have to be the bread winner for.

College is really not necessarily that useful for finding work. Being a woman though, and trying to displace men from careers and positions that used to go for bread-winners, is useful for finding a career, because women are favored.

Clelia · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:54:37 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: egoveritas
I find that college is a good thing for women. I know a lot of mothers who have gone to college after their husbands have died and were left with very little to go on. however if a mother has her degree in anything it is a very useful tool for homeschooling your children or getting a job to support the family you now have to be the bread winner for.

This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

Self-employment isn't always easy - it takes money to make money, unless you are most clever in the world of business. Again, one mold does not fit every woman or man.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:56:24 PM »

Quote from: Clelia

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Quote from: egoveritas
I find that college is a good thing for women. I know a lot of mothers who have gone to college after their husbands have died and were left with very little to go on. however if a mother has her degree in anything it is a very useful tool for homeschooling your children or getting a job to support the family you now have to be the bread winner for.

This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

Self-employment isn't always easy - it takes money to make money, unless you are most clever in the world of business. Again, one mold does not fit every woman or man.

It may not be for every man, but it's one sure way to avoid ocassion of sin. It doesn't bring in a tremendous amount of money, sure. But Trad families are willing to be more poor than rich.

I, personally, plan to go into self-employment.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:57:28 PM »

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He didn't give us "free will" to do evil?

He gave us free will to freely choose good, not to do objectively evil things without other people interfering.

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it is not intrinsically evil there is no law of man or God saying women are forbidden to serve their country.

It is intrinsically evil for women to be "soldiers" - it's not about serving the country. The roles between men and women in the military have been hopelessly blurred. It's entering an occasion of sin, for an illegitimate purpose, to be a female "soldier."

The military culture is godless and corrupt. But it's full of strapping young men. What kind of parent could tolerate their sheltered daughter going into such a miserable situation?

Only a parent who really doesn't have Catholic values.

egoveritas · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:58:23 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

This is absurd. A degree does not play any real role in homeschooling. Even if the woman suddenly had to get a job, she could do what most Traditional Catholic men do anyway and go into self-employment, something that does not require a degree.

how does a degree in math not help in the education of children? a degree in english? a degree in history? chemistry? science? biology? physics? etc,etc....

Clelia · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2012, 08:59:43 PM »

BTW: I am NO FEMINIST!!!

Remember the no-women-should-ever-go-to-college concept the next time one of you needs a major operation and the best educated and trained man for the job happens to be a woman. With children. Home schooled by Dad.

There are good women who remain single and chaste in order to serve God and society as well. Not one-size fits all.