I sense your frustration.

Remember: I have been talking about good, Traditional Catholic women who have a genuine calling from God to pursue a good and worthy profession or skill to support herself, give back to society, and help her future/present husband when needed, and in a holy and wholesome way.

Many women DO loose their souls in college - but you are not dealing with reality, you are fixated on EVERY WOMAN becoming sinful, unfaithful, selfish, and a libber. You abscond with the conversational topic and keep fixating on 'harlots.'

Maybe the women you are so obsessed with talking about wouldn't have the opportunity to sin so much if men who attended college didn't pursue them for sinful purposes. Maybe it's the men who should not attend college. Are all men who attend college good and faithful married men? Do they not also (as in the case of 'harlots' and other women libbers) put off marriage until they have enough money for a cruise Honeymoon and put off children so they can live a little first? Do not men who go to college become selfish these days and make sure they have all the perks before marriage: new cars? nights out with the boys? their own home first? a promotion first? a raise first? but, who usually sleep with their fiance or live together first, so they will not miss being without a woman around?

Oh golly gee - we could go on.

Should I classify ALL MEN into ONE CATEGORY because there are men around like this?

I agree MEN AND WOMEN can loose their souls in ANY institution: but not if their parents give them The True Faith. These are the ladies I speak of.

I know men at my chapel who are creeps.

Where did that come from???

Pray instead of ragging on all women -- and don't label me falsely, because you refuse to have a conversation but rather insist on being the macho-hammers.

Men and women ought not to sell each other short.

I sense your frustration.

Remember: I have been talking about good, Traditional Catholic women who have a genuine calling from God to pursue a good and worthy profession or skill to support herself, give back to society, and help her future/present husband when needed, and in a holy and wholesome way.

Many women DO loose their souls in college - but you are not dealing with reality, you are fixated on EVERY WOMAN becoming sinful, unfaithful, selfish, and a libber. You abscond with the conversational topic and keep fixating on 'harlots.'

Right, and since we're mostly dealing with imbeciles, who have no, or purely negative, experience in dealing with women, or in being the head of a household, nor are they trained to deal with such things, as a priest might, they can not reconcile these ideas. They may remain single forever, and not realize it until its too late.  

Maybe the women you are so obsessed with talking about wouldn't have the opportunity to sin so much if men who attended college didn't pursue them for sinful purposes.

Clelia, this is classic feminist rationalization.  There are always going to be such men.  What many men in churches discover, to their dismay, that it is precisely such men that women are interested in, whereas devout men who do not wish to seduce them are treated coldly.  

Maybe it's the men who should not attend college.

Men as prospective bread-winners have a more legitimate reason to attend college.

Are all men who attend college good and faithful married men?

That men sin doesn't remove the importance of women not sinning.  Marriage depends on female chastity more than it does on male chastity.  That has always been recognized.  Female unchastity is more destructive to marriage because of the possibility of introducing a child not of the husband into the family.  It is more destructive because an unchaste woman will find it harder to be faithful to her husband, and because her infidelity will be more likely to destroy the marriage.

 Do not men who go to college become selfish these days and make sure they have all the perks before marriage: new cars? nights out with the boys? their own home first? a promotion first? a raise first? but, who usually sleep with their fiance or live together first, so they will not miss being without a woman around?

No one is apologizing for male sin, but the fact is, women are the ones who are not held to account for their sinning.  Young women are more promiscuous than young men in this society.  Young women are on birth control and when that doesn't work they often resort to abortion.  And if they bear their child then a man is on the hook for 18 years of child support, whereas a woman can give the baby away.  Women are not being held responsible for their choices.  That is why illegitimacy is out of control.  It's not men who are forcing women to bear children out of wedlock.  It's not men who are initiating most divorces.  It's the behavior of women that's changed the most for the worst in the past 50 years, and they're the ones who are going to have to change back to set society right.  Men cannot, simply by being virtuous, cause women to be virtuous.   Society must hold women to account.

Oh golly gee - we could go on.

Should I classify ALL MEN into ONE CATEGORY because there are men around like this?

Women in fact do make generalizations about men all the time.  They generally commit ridiculous fallacies when doing so.  One is that they do not even consider men who are not the men they are interested in.  So when they say men lie and cheat - they are committing the fallacy of judging all men by the men they give their attention to.  And they make generalizations about the men they're not attracted to as well.  They call them creepy.  The ironic thing is when they go from being attracted to a man, to calling him creepy, simply because of social pressure.  It really shows the incredible shallowness of women.

I agree MEN AND WOMEN can loose their souls in ANY institution: but not if their parents give them The True Faith. These are the ladies I speak of.

That is presumptuous.  Catholics given the true Faith can lose their souls if they willfully enter occasions of sin.  Especially if they enter into an occasion of sin without a legitimate reason: that is sinful in and of itself.

I know men at my chapel who are creeps.

Where did that come from???

How effortlessly you say that.  But God forbid a man ever even suggest a chapel has sluts.  Women are given a pass to calumniate men in these chapels.

Pray instead of ragging on all women -- and don't label me falsely, because you refuse to have a conversation but rather insist on being the macho-hammers.

Did I label you?

Men and women ought not to sell each other short.

It's the women who are behaving badly these days, more often than not.  When men are criticized, they do not bring up the faults of women as an excuse.  The family is breaking down because women refuse to submit to their role, and men refuse to impose it on them.

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I think you guys need to attend courses in reality.

You hit the nail on the head. Ignore these fools Clelia; they're known to cause hernias.

Who are the fools you are refering to? Would that happen to be me, Tele, Sede Catholic, and Carraffa?

The Bible says we aren't supposed to call others fools.

Latins have a different way of following (ie not following) our religion.

I think you guys need to attend courses in reality.

No thanks, I will pass on going to some liberal brainwashing college. If a man wants to earn a degree, I think online college courses are the way to go.

Well since you've lately taken to eating the cake Tele dishes out lately, yes- you too.

So anyone who agrees with Tele is a fool, huh? I think that is pretty uncharitable. Your statement is also false and ridiculous. My views on feminism actually come from my mother (who is a Traditional Catholic), not Tele. My views on the subject were like this even when Tele and I were rivals.

I must say, s2s, that is a pretty low level to sink to. I wouldn't have expected that from you.

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Well since you've lately taken to eating the cake Tele dishes out lately, yes- you too.

So anyone who agrees with Tele is a fool, huh? I think that is pretty uncharitable.

Are you serious? I think you're turning into Tele. I said on this specific point, yes I would disagree with you. Be careful in how you interpret things, or you'll be just a jacked up as he is.

Your statement is also false and ridiculous. My views on feminism actually come from my mother (who is a Traditional Catholic), not Tele. My views on the subject were like this even when Tele and I were rivals.

I must say, s2s, that is a pretty low level to sink to. I wouldn't have expected that from you.

Reread what I've said, and get that chip off your shoulder.