Author Topic: Women going to college? (Read 44550 times)

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #165 on:** August 15, 2012, 12:54:09 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

It's very important for Catholic parents to explicitly recognize that the universality of college coeducation depends on the universality of contraception.

Did you ever hear of a concept called self control? Chastity? You sound like the feminists who claim people can't control themselves.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #166 on:** August 15, 2012, 01:14:12 AM »

Quote from: catherineofsiena

Did you ever hear of a concept called self control

Ever hear of a concept such as "occasion of sin"?

Self-control first off depends on avoiding unnecessary occasions of temptation.

You can't tell me that women exposed to the culture of a college campus are not being subjected to a severe trial.

You want me to say "oh yes, young women with the right upbringing can control themselves, and will control themselves" - but the facts show otherwise. I'm supposed to believe Trad girls are so different, when nearly everything they say seems to suggest the opposite.

Why does St. Paul say it is better to marry than to burn?

And why do women delay marriage today, but not in the past?

Don't tell me because they're not interested in men, or that they're more interested in learning than in men.

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Chastity? You sound like the feminists who claim people can't control themselves.

You need to stop rationalizing. Women are frail creatures, and in the modern coeducational university the results are too often disastrous, and collectively, the results are catastrophic. You are obviously proud of your education, but there are much better things to be proud of.

Trad Catholic parents who send their daughters to such institutions will have much to answer for on the Day of Judgment.

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #167 on:** August 15, 2012, 01:18:08 AM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: catherineofsiena
Did you ever hear of a concept called self control

Ever hear of a concept such "occasion of sin"?

Self-control first off depends on avoiding unnecessary occasions of temptation.

You can't tell me that women exposed to the culture of a college campus are not being subjected to a severe trial.

You want me to say "oh yes, young women with the right upbringing can control themselves, and will control themselves" - but the facts show otherwise. I'm supposed to believe Trad girls are so different, when nearly everything they say seems to suggest the opposite.

Why does St. Paul say it is better to marry than to burn?

And why do women delay marriage today, but not in the past?

Don't tell me because they're not interested in men, or that they're more interested in learning than in men.

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Chastity? You sound like the feminists who claim people can't control themselves.

You need to stop rationalizing. Women are frail creatures, and in the modern coeducational university the results are too often disastrous, and collectively, the are catastrophic. You are obviously proud of your education, but there are much better things to be proud of.

Tele, it's obvious you don't understand women, in particular this woman.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #168 on:** August 15, 2012, 01:42:13 AM »

I wonder if there is a correlation between the 40% number of those who leave the faith and the rise in the number of girls who go to college.

I guess I just don't understand how a degree could be so highly valued that it is worth the risks associated. It is a fact that statistically, college makes people less religious.For a woman who desires marriage, why gamble?

It was mentioned that in today's world, women might need to help supplement her husband's income. The Proverbs 31 woman seemed to do this, but selling homemade/homegrown goods has never required a degree. To take on a job that requires a degree would likely mean childcare expenses. Also, most college educated women do have school debt... this burdens the budget in the first place.

I think it makes sense to ponder why exactly it is so hard to live on one income in the first place. Some of it is political, a lot can be blamed on materialism, but some of it has to be traced back to feminism. If we can at least admit that feminism has negatively impacted the family in at least some capacity, then shouldn't we consider the possibility we are running in circles for the devil? By promoting the idea that women should earn a degree to supplement income aren't we just perpetuating the problem of why families can't rely on one working parent?

We may be called to live in the world, but certainly we don't send kids to public school "just because" or to help them gain social experience. We shouldn't expose ourselves to immoral media just so we can relate better to the secular world. I don't see women's time away at college as much different, if the desire is to be a wife and mother. I'm just not seeing the logic.

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #169 on:** August 15, 2012, 01:45:15 AM »

Quote from: PenitentWoman

I wonder if there is a correlation between the 40% number of those who leave the faith and the rise in the number of girls who go to college

I guess I just don't understand how a degree could be so highly valued that it is worth the risks associated. It is a fact that statistically, college makes people less religious.For a woman who desires marriage, why gamble?

It was mentioned that in today's world, women might need to help supplement her husband's income. The Proverbs 31 woman seemed to do this, but selling homemade/homegrown goods has never required a degree. To take on a job that requires a degree would likely mean childcare expenses. Also, most college educated women do have school debt... this burdens the budget in the first place.

I think it makes sense to ponder why exactly it is so hard to live on one income in the first place. Some of it is political, a lot can be blamed on materialism, but some of it has to be traced back to feminism. If we can at least admit that feminism has negatively impacted the family in at least some capacity, then shouldn't we consider the possibility we are running in circles for the devil? By promoting the idea that women should earn a degree to supplement income aren't we just perpetuating the problem of why families can't rely on one working parent?

We may be called to live in the world, but certainly we don't send kids to public school "just because" or to help them gain social experience. We shouldn't expose ourselves to media just so we can relate better to the secular world. I don't see women's time away at college as much different, if the desire is to be a wife and mother. I'm just not seeing the logic

Trads aren't going to college in great numbers.