Author Topic: Women going to college? (Read 42392 times)

Telesphorus · « **Reply #135 on:** August 13, 2012, 10:28:19 PM »

I would say the final test is this:

Can you imagine a saintly woman, a holy woman, entering the modern university as an undergraduate?

Raoul76 · « **Reply #136 on:** August 14, 2012, 02:44:21 AM »

I agree Tele :) Except college is a danger to men as well as women.

If anyone goes to college, they had better have the defensive posture of Joan of Arc going into battle. They must see it as a necessary evil, and do their utmost to be completely separate from their environment, spiritually and psychologically.

It is hard to say, in the modern world, what is more evil -- Vatican II, the media, the false religions, the workplaces, or the universities. But what is not in doubt, is that the universities and the workplaces, among trads, are the most surreptitious evil. There is a uniformity of thought that they produce which is truly sinister, Russia never had such propaganda, because in Russia people were forced to obey. Here people turn themselves into clones while thinking they're free, and it is the think-tanks that make this possible.

It is clear that these universities, like Novus Ordo seminaries, will squeeze out anyone who thinks against the status quo; does anyone know of even ONE trad Catholic professor? Seriously, I have never heard of any trad Catholic with that job.

Trads also tend to be far too confident that they will not be affected by their workplaces, and too often have corrupting white-collar jobs rather than better blue-collar ones. In general, the higher you rise, the more at risk you are, though there are certain high-powered jobs that aren't dangerous. For instance, a friend's father runs a company that produces baked goods, that isn't dangerous, but working in a high-powered office is dangerous. You are around people who all think the same way, who are immoral, you start to get a worldly mentality, etc. This has been true throughout the history of the Church, but it is worse now, since there isn't even any pretense of Catholicism.

St. Francis wanted nothing to do with his dad's business. Yet many trads today have more in common with St. Francis' dad than with St. Francis. But that has been true throughout the history of the Church, I'd say. Very few seem to be truly poor in spirit.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #137 on:** August 14, 2012, 02:48:05 AM »

As for women, I see Catholic women who have traces of feminist and worldly mentalities. They would deny it. They can fool themselves, but not those who are more aware. If I were going to marry, I would far rather marry a guileless 18 year old who is a blank slate, then someone who has had their slate covered with filthy graffiti, which I would then have to laboriously attempt to erase, when it is most likely the traces will never really come off.

Even as a pagan I had the good taste to utterly despise university. The combination of arrogant and ignorant professors with slimy, sleazy teens, whose behavior is condoned, was completely disgusting to me even when I was worldly. I was never THAT worldly.

poche · « **Reply #138 on:** August 14, 2012, 04:06:03 AM »

In Maria dAgreda's City of God, it mentions that in order to suplement their income, the Blessed Virgin did some work as a seamstress. There was even a point when her work was the sole financial support of the Holy Family.
It should also be noted that when the Blessed Virgin appeared at Fatiima, she told the children that they should go to school and learn to read. In this society, in many circuмstances it is necessary to have a college education in order to function effectively. Also remember that there are some professions that are best done by women. (i.e. gynacology, obstetrics, etc...) It would be inappropriate for a male police officer to conduct a body search of female suspects. While it's ideal for the wife to stay at home, sometimes it is necessary for her to go outside the home in order to supplement teh income, or in some cases she may be the sole source of income for the family. The more educated she is, the better prepared she will be to do what she needs to do to do her part to provide for her family. Remember, marriage is a sacrament. But in a marriage both spouses have to work together as a team. The husband has to respect the wife and the wife has to respect the husband. When they raise their children they teach them to know what is right and what is wrong. That when they grow up they will understand what to do when they encounter situations where sometimes you have to say "no." This is how you give witness to the holiness that is teh Catholic Faith

Clelia · « **Reply #139 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:50:56 AM »

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In Maria dAgreda's City of God, it mentions that in order to suplement their income, the Blessed Virgin did some work as a seamstress. There was even a point when her work was the sole financial support of the Holy Family.
It should also be noted that when the Blessed Virgin appeared at Fatiima, she told the children that they should go to school and learn to read. In this society, in many circuмstances it is necessary to have a college education in order to function effectively. Also remember that there are some professions that are best done by women. (i.e. gynacology, obstetrics, etc...) It would be inappropriate for a male police officer to conduct a body search of female suspects. While it's ideal for the wife to stay at home, sometimes it is necessary for her to go outside the home in order to supplement teh income, or in some cases she may be the sole source of income for the family. The more educated she is, the better prepared she will be to do what she needs to do to do her part to provide for her family. Remember, marriage is a sacrament. But in a marriage both spouses have to work together as a team. The husband has to respect the wife and the wife has to respect the husband. When they raise their children they teach them to know what is right and what is wrong. That when they grow up they will understand what to do when they encounter situations where sometimes you have to say "no." This is how you give witness to the holiness that is teh Catholic Faith

Well said.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #140 on:** August 14, 2012, 11:18:14 AM »

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In this society, in many circuмstances it is necessary to have a college education in order to function effectively.

Is it necessary to function effectively, or is it simply something that is required by default? I don't think anyone could claim a high school diploma is necessary to function effectively. In many circuмstances specialized training might be necessary - this is something one might obtain in formal schooling. That being said, it's hardly a general requirement for "effective functioning" in society.

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Also remember that there are some professions that are best done by women. (i.e. gynacology, obstetrics, etc...)

According to whom? What was the situation in the past?

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It would be inappropriate for a male police officer to conduct a body search of female suspects.

A female gendarme must be college educated?

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While it's ideal for the wife to stay at home, sometimes it is necessary for her to go outside the home in order to supplement the income, or in some cases she may be the sole source of income for the family. The more educated she is, the better prepared she will be to do what she needs to do to do her part to provide for her family.

It's not necessarily true that being "better educated" - in the sense of being college educated - will put her in a better position. What is needed is valued skills. The fact that affirmative action and feminism have determined that women must be hired for a large proportion of jobs does not show that time at college is necessary, only that the pro-feminist state is willing to help ensure compensation for women taking such jobs.

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Remember, marriage is a sacrament. But in a marriage both spouses have to work together as a team. The husband has to respect the wife and the wife has to respect the husband.

Marriage is a sacrament, which is why the expression "teamwork" isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

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When they raise their children they teach them to know what is right and what is wrong. That when they grow up they will understand what to do when they encounter situations where sometimes you have to say "no." This is how you give witness to the holiness that is teh Catholic Faith

Yes, but you don't send your child into a corrupting environment, a proximate occasion of sin, in order to give witness to the Catholic Faith.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #141 on:** August 14, 2012, 11:40:23 AM »

There are numerous jobs in the world that do not require a college education.

Women should not go to college just because they MIGHT need a degree later in life. She also has no part in providing for her family unless she has no other choice.

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #142 on:** August 14, 2012, 05:41:25 PM »

Quote from: Clelia

Quote from: poche
In Maria dAgreda's City of God, it mentions that in order to suplement their income, the Blessed Virgin did some work as a seamstress. There was even a point when her work was the sole financial support of the Holy Family.
It should also be noted that when the Blessed Virgin appeared at Fatiima, she told the children that they should go to school and learn to read. In this society, in many circuмstances it is necessary to have a college education in order to function effectively. Also remember that there are some professions that are best done by women. (i.e. gynacology, obstetrics, etc...) It would be inappropriate for a male police officer to conduct a body search of female suspects. While it's ideal for the wife to stay at home, sometimes it is necessary for her to go outside the home in order to supplement teh income, or in some cases she may be the sole source of income for the family. The more educated she is, the better prepared she will be to do what she needs to do to do her part to provide for her family. Remember, marriage is a sacrament. But in a marriage both spouses have to work together as a team. The husband has to respect the wife and the wife has to respect the husband. When they raise their children they teach them to know what is right and what is wrong. That when they grow up they will understand what to do when they encounter situations where sometimes you have to say "no." This is how you give witness to the holiness that is teh Catholic Faith

Well said.

We should also note that the Blessed Mother was highly educated having been raised in the Temple.

PenitentWoman · « **Reply #143 on:** August 14, 2012, 05:53:07 PM »

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Quote from: Clelia
Quote from: poche
In Maria dAgreda's City of God, it mentions that in order to suplement their income, the Blessed Virgin did some work as a seamstress. There was even a point when her work was the sole financial support of the Holy Family.
It should also be noted that when the Blessed Virgin appeared at Fatiima, she told the children that they should go to school and learn to read. In this society, in many circuмstances it is necessary to have a college education in order to function effectively. Also remember that there are some professions that are best done by women. (i.e. gynacology, obstetrics, etc...) It would be inappropriate for a male police officer to conduct a body search of female suspects. While it's ideal for the wife to stay at home, sometimes it is necessary for her to go outside the home in order to supplement teh income, or in some cases she may be the sole source of income for the family. The mor;e educated she is, the better prepared she will be to do what she needs to do to do her part to provide for her family. Remember, marriage is a sacrament. But in a marriage both spouses have to work together as a team. The husband has to respect the wife and the wife has to respect the husband. When they raise their children they teach them to know what is right and what is wrong. That when they grow up they will understand what to do when they encounter situations where sometimes you have to say "no." This is how you give witness to the holiness that is teh Catholic Faith

Well said.

We should also note that the Blessed Mother was highly educated having been raised in the Temple.[/quote

I'm not sure that you can really compare Blessed Mother's time in the temple, with both parental and divine protection, to a modern day University experience. No one has said women shouldn't be educated.

Raoul76 · « **Reply #144 on:** August 14, 2012, 05:56:22 PM »

Who would ever have said anything against the Virgin Mary being a seamstress? Did she major in seamstressing at Brown University? I would even say women can go to college to learn other skills if it's necessary, but I get the feeling a lot of people think things are necessary that really aren't.

And now here you are seeing the latent feminism coming out with people demanding that women should be doctors; if that is the case, why did no one suggest this before, when women often had to submit to humiliating experiences with male doctors? Why not say women should be lawyers because only they know how to speak to other women and understand their problems? Or that women should be soldiers so that they can couple up with the men, in order to stop them from raping? You could go anywhere with this logic; and we have gone anywhere and everywhere with it.

I hope I haven't given Tele cause to go to extremes, but I do agree on this point, and always have, that the threat posed by colleges is far underappreciated, and there is a kind of poisonous tentacular aspect to the entirety of modern society that people are far too cavalier about. That is why I also mentioned the workplace.

At CMRI there is what I would call a near-epidemic of subtly inappropriate clothing, sometimes from people who have been sedes for a long time. Priests there may disagree, but that is what I see. Anyone who doesn't see that the world has almost defeated the Church has to be stone-blind. At the same time, locking kids up in a little room doesn't help either, it just makes them more rebellious.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #145 on:** August 14, 2012, 06:17:57 PM »

Oh... only three thumbs down from the feminists? The more dislikes I receive from liberal feminists, the better, because I know what I'm saying is in line with Chuch teachings. Any feminist who doesn't like it, too bad. Get over it.

catherineofsiena · « **Reply #146 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:47:02 PM »

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In Maria dAgreda's City of God

I just bought a biography of Mary of Agreda. Did you know she taught the Faith to the Indians of NM and TX via bilocation? It's a nice little booklet.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #147 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:50:13 PM »

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The husband has to respect the wife and the wife has to respect the husband.

Well maybe I am a patriarchal sexist but in my household my wife and children would abide by MY rules and thinking, not hers.

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #148 on:** August 14, 2012, 07:55:51 PM »

Ah one downvote from the liberal feminists on here, what a shame. :rolleyes:

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #149 on:** August 14, 2012, 08:25:30 PM »

Sorry Trad Guy, I mistakenly thumbed that post down. My apologies.