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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2018, 11:34:42 AM »
What woman wouldn't want to submit to a husband who loves her as Christ loves the Church?
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2018, 11:59:30 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on June 30, 2018, 11:34:42 AM
What woman wouldn't want to submit to a husband who loves her as Christ loves the Church?
I discovered traditional Catholicism quite late in my life, so I did not know anything about Catholic teaching on the wife's obedience in the early years of my marriage.  I just knew about Novus Ordo teaching on "mutual submission of husband and wife". I also had a childhood non-Catholic formation involving feminism.

Even in my situation of complete ignorance of traditional teaching and a personal tendency toward rebellion, I was able to figure out that I ought to obey my husband.  It just became more and more clear that he deserved to be obeyed. I could see that things went better when I followed his lead and that he was simply wiser than me.

That is how powerful it is when a man loves his wife as Christ loved the Church.
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Offline Croix de Fer

Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2018, 12:34:17 PM »
Quote from: TKGS on June 30, 2018, 07:20:18 AM
With all of the great traditional Catholic sermons concerning marriage one can easily find on the internet, I find it disturbing that a Catholic would seek religious counsel from "Pastor Dowell" of Youtube.

Strawman. The impetus of posting Dowell's videos on this forum isn't for religious council. It's for practical advise to men on getting prenups and avoiding state marriage licenses as a means to protect their life's work from predatory women who "divorce" them.

None of you have a true argument against this fact, so you use the strawman (seeking religious guidance from a heretic) to divert attention away from the real issue at hand.

You've all been dishonest and/or lack critical thinking.
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Offline Jaynek

Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2018, 12:53:28 PM »
Quote from: Croix de Fer on June 30, 2018, 12:34:17 PM
Strawman. The impetus of posting Dowell's videos on this forum isn't for religious council. It's for practical advise to men on getting prenups and avoiding state marriage licenses as a means to protect their life's work from predatory women who "divorce" them.
His practical advice is based on religious assumptions that are contrary to Catholic teaching.  For example, he is teaching men to divorce a wife who is disobedient and then the man is free to marry again.

Of course, a man who advises divorce and remarriage also advises a prenup about what to do in the event of a divorce.  This is no indication that it is a good idea for Catholics since we do not accept divorce and remarriage.  

It is not possible to treat religious and practical issues as completely separate from each other.
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Offline Croix de Fer

Re: Woman's Love Defined By Obedience To Man
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2018, 01:06:45 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek on June 30, 2018, 12:53:28 PM
His practical advice is based on religious assumptions that are contrary to Catholic teaching.  For example, he is teaching men to divorce a wife who is disobedient and then the man is free to marry again.

Of course, a man who advises divorce and remarriage also advises a prenup about what to do in the event of a divorce.  This is no indication that it is a good idea for Catholics since we do not accept divorce and remarriage.  

It is not possible to treat religious and practical issues as completely separate from each other.

Dishonest argument. I've clarified exponential times that the point of the posted videos is for men to get the practical advice on prenups and avoiding state marriage licenses, and the reasons - predatory & flaky disposition of most women in these latter days - for such legal action & inaction, respectively. Ignore the other stuff. He only touches on those heresies briefly. It's a given that Catholic men should avoid his comments about "divorcing" his wife and "marrying other women".
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