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Offline Trinity

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« on: February 14, 2007, 09:11:49 AM »
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  • When it is only through age that one gathers wisdom and experience, why this endles struggle to seem young?  Remember that beauty works from within, it cannot be put on and off like a garment, and it depends far more on the culture of the intellect, the tastes, sentiment and affections of the soul than the color of the hair, eyes, or complexion...Be kind, noble, generous, well-mannered, be true to yourselves and your friends, and the soft lines of these tender graces and noble virtues will reveal themselves in the face...we cannot be one thing and look another...There are indelible marks in every face showing the real life within.

    Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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    « Reply #1 on: February 14, 2007, 10:10:16 AM »
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  •  :pop:Ahhh... Elizabeth Cady Stanton: the Calvinist-Presbyterian-raised woman who lady turned to solid agnosticism and a big-time feminist.  She re-wrote the Bible to be "The Woman's Bible", and said publically that she believed all organized Christian religions to be sexist.   Among her career milestones, she fought to make divorce more readily available, which even put many of her former suffrage proponents off, as well as significant abolitionists (e.g., Frederick Douglas).  

    By her reasoning here, which has slight elements that sound as though they might be noble:  were she alive today she'd hold in esteem people like Madonna and Angelia Jolie.  

    It is NOT by only age and experience that one gather's knowledge (*agosticism*).  It is by the grace of God, a thing that is very misunderstood and often a sign of contradiction.
    "I would give my life for a single ceremony of the Church."  -- St. Teresa of Avila, Doctor of the Church


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    « Reply #2 on: February 14, 2007, 10:28:17 AM »
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    :pop:Ahhh... Elizabeth Cady Stanton:


    I've heard her name before, and it reminded me of Candi Staton! "Young Hearts Run Free!"

    Clare.

    Offline Trinity

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    « Reply #3 on: February 14, 2007, 11:35:03 AM »
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  • Ancilla, I'm guessing you can't help but be nasty.  And the word is wisdom, not knowledge.  Wisdom is not knowledge, nor is knowledge wisdom.  The premise remains the same whether it was spoken by an agnostic or a saint or Jesus Himself.  It is from the heart that a man speaks.  

    The spirit on this forum these days is vicious and unloving.  It didn't used to be like that, but some people seem to think they have a mission from God to correct everyone around them by any means at their disposal.  That alone screams hubris, but the continual breakdown of peace and charity is what alarms me the most.  Will you be satisfied when Cathinfo is destroyed?
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    « Reply #4 on: February 14, 2007, 12:26:22 PM »
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    The spirit on this forum these days is vicious and unloving.  It didn't used to be like that, but some people seem to think they have a mission from God to correct everyone around them by any means at their disposal.  That alone screams hubris, but the continual breakdown of peace and charity is what alarms me the most.  Will you be satisfied when Cathinfo is destroyed?


    Far as I'm concerned, this board, or any other, would be a peacefull and loving space if it was concerned with; providing help to those in need, hope for those who have none, chronicle ones effort in fighting isolation, poverty, fear and hopelessness.

    Rather, it's largely a space to whip oneself into a frenzy, with all the horror stories that can be garnished, either factual or speculative.  Now, you and others would like to be able to escalate this fear in a spirit of camaraderie... I respect that, but it's not likely to fly with everyone equally.

    Of course, thats my angle, others may have other reasons to be antagonistic.

    Another point is, that this board was created by and large has a reaction to another board that we all know.  By this quality, people will spill over from that board, but not all for the same reasons.  If Chant wants this board to be really open, he will need to contend with all those various overspills... If he wants a specific direction to it, he will likely moderate harder and possible ban some subjects or users.

    I am not very charitable, quite intransigeant and often times arrogant, I am sorry for that, and do try to minimize it... But like I said, the subjects leveled here are very serious, and the rethoric quite strong and destructive.  My tone is equally strong in denouncing what I view to be wrong.   I would not be like this if the subjects would be lighter.

    Edit: On that note Trinity, I applaud your thread... and agree with you on it. I applaud it also of course, because it is exactly a counter-weight to my argument above, and shine the kind of light that I would expect to see more out of on a religious board.

    I also agree with you that one can be agnostic, and still have relevant and usefull nuggets of truth to tell.


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    « Reply #5 on: February 14, 2007, 03:46:25 PM »
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  • Hmmmm!   :furtive: (sub rosa---my old opponent, Vandaler, has kind words for me---what's cooking?)   :furtive:

    Kidding, Vandaler.  Thanks.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 14, 2007, 06:03:04 PM »
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    Far as I'm concerned, this board, or any other, would be a peacefull and loving space if it was concerned with; providing help to those in need, hope for those who have none, chronicle ones effort in fighting isolation, poverty, fear and hopelessness.


    For those that would like to help the sick,disabled & elderly, volunteering at one's place of worship or in your neighborhood would be an ideal way to get started. You can do errands or odd jobs that the elderly or disabled are not able to do.
    I find it much more full-filling than reading about it.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 06:42:24 PM »
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    For those that would like to help the sick,disabled & elderly, volunteering at one's place of worship or in your neighborhood would be an ideal way to get started. You can do errands or odd jobs that the elderly or disabled are not able to do.
    I find it much more full-filling than reading about it.


    Perfectly agreed, I did not meant that this board needed to be a warm fuzzy love nest either.

    What I meant though, is that in the long run, a board that harps on wither we will need to survive a nuclear aftermath, or in governement cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ is bound to have some testy response from time to time.


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    « Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 06:52:27 PM »
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    What I meant though, is that in the long run, a board that harps on wither we will need to survive a nuclear aftermath, or in governement cσncєnтrαтισn cαмρ is bound to have some testy response from time to time.


    Hi Vandaler,

    How's your predictions going on future events?  :wink:

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    « Reply #9 on: February 14, 2007, 07:02:37 PM »
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  • I'm actually doing great so far... with many outstanding predictions that are longer term and will need to stand the test of time.  

    But I enjoy the little tingle of pressure of being on the record.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 14, 2007, 07:25:21 PM »
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    I'm actually doing great so far... with many outstanding predictions that are longer term and will need to stand the test of time.  

    But I enjoy the little tingle of pressure of being on the record.


    I have not had a chance to read all your blog yet but I'm going to try so that I can rub it in if you miss  :roll-laugh1:
    Glad that you are doing something you like & enjoy.
    Good Luck  :wave:


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    « Reply #11 on: February 14, 2007, 07:28:47 PM »
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  • Barring the fact that none of the testy responses have been in relationship to those things, yes.  Though why that should be, I don't know.  The signs of the times are there to be read, and if we read them differently that would be in the nature of things.  If one really thinks they really have a better reading, they can lay it on the table along with ours.  No need to get testy.  Generally people who go for the jugular simply like the smell of blood.  Especially when they come from out of the blue.
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    « Reply #12 on: February 14, 2007, 07:31:02 PM »
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    Barring the fact that none of the testy responses have been in relationship to those things, yes.  Though why that should be, I don't know.  The signs of the times are there to be read, and if we read them differently that would be in the nature of things.  If one really thinks they really have a better reading, they can lay it on the table along with ours.  No need to get testy.  Generally people who go for the jugular simply like the smell of blood.  Especially when they come from out of the blue.


    I was only speaking for myself, and the stimulies that makes me unpleaseant.  I have no clue what is on other people's minds.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 14, 2007, 08:06:44 PM »
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    The spirit on this forum these days is vicious and unloving.  It didn't used to be like that, but some people seem to think they have a mission from God to correct everyone around them by any means at their disposal.  That alone screams hubris, but the continual breakdown of peace and charity is what alarms me the most.  Will you be satisfied when Cathinfo is destroyed?


    This is only a general statement, so please no one take this personally or directed at them, but I think what would go a long ways toward a more peaceful "coexistence" (for lack of better word) would be giving people the benefit of the doubt at all times and not assume anyone of is of ill-will until proven otherwise. Heck, those are good things to put in practice in real life and not just an internet forum.

    Vandaler is a good example of what I am talking about. I don't always agree with him, but he has my respect by the way he carries himself.

    (edited for spelling error)

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    « Reply #14 on: February 14, 2007, 08:24:21 PM »
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    Heck, those are good thing to put in practice in real life and not just an internet forum.


    Thank you John...

    On what you wrote, actually, if real life standards could only apply on Internet boards.  Much false courage is borrowed from anonymity.  We'd all be much nicer if sitting around a table instead.