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Offline Ambrose

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2013, 09:55:39 PM »
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    Remember the vow about freely welcoming children? God's will. Not your lifestyle or at your convenience.

    Start breaking the vows you end up breaking the marriage, talk to a priest, both of you.

    But it sounds like already your communication has broken down. Work fast.

    I agree, if it means the breakdown of my marriage I don't see a way out...anone hve experience with the following, Popular types of natural family planning include the rhythm method,  and the basal body temperature method.


     The rhythm method permitted by Pope Pius XII cannot be used except for grave reasons.  It cannot be used because one spouse no longer wants kids.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #16 on: July 30, 2013, 10:22:16 PM »
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  • I am not! I have supplied a link below for the Creighton Method.

    http://www.creightonmodel.com

    Pax,
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    « Reply #17 on: July 30, 2013, 11:05:28 PM »
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  • You are absolved of culpability if your wife insists on using artificial contraception against your objections. Love her. Pray for her. Remember there are the things that we can control and there are the things that we cannot control and it is true wisdom to know the difference.  

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    « Reply #18 on: July 30, 2013, 11:09:13 PM »
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  • please please please have your wife research iud.... it does not prevent conception it does prevent the baby from attaching to the womb... she is being deceived...

    it is a form of abortion.  I pray she she is using this in total ignorance..and will stop. also there are many dangers using it (i am not speaking from experience just info  obtained over the years.)



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    « Reply #19 on: July 30, 2013, 11:28:35 PM »
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    You are absolved of culpability if your wife insists on using artificial contraception against your objections. Love her. Pray for her. Remember there are the things that we can control and there are the things that we cannot control and it is true wisdom to know the difference.  


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    « Reply #20 on: July 30, 2013, 11:41:22 PM »
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  • Copyright 2006, Pope Paul VI Institute for the Study of Human Reproduction. All rights reserved.

    Tarpeian, you're not going to make friends here linking crap like this.

    Paul VI was a homosexual. Last thing people want to read is about a birth control method that's name is somehow attached to this disgraceful human being.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    « Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 04:28:52 PM »
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    Presently my better half has the iud, I've been staying away but it's getting desperate now, I gave her a link to the cervical mucus method which she read up on and says no way she would do it, are there any other methods that we;re missing which are better? also if anyone has any church teachings that absolve the man from any mortal sin when he has relations with a wife who uses contraception I'm all ears, for now I believe it would be a mortal sin for me to have relations  with the wife.


    IMHO the best avenue is to find someone who teaches the Creighton Method, and go together to the class. I think there is a wonderful chance you're wife will be amazed at what Creighton has to offer. I would be willing to talk to you both of you, if you feel comfortable. Creighton blew me away, and it made our marriage much stronger.

    Pax,
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    I never heard of that, will have to do some research, although right now not sure she's ready to attend any class

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    « Reply #22 on: July 31, 2013, 04:30:00 PM »
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    Presently my better half has the iud, I've been staying away but it's getting desperate now, I gave her a link to the cervical mucus method which she read up on and says no way she would do it, are there any other methods that we;re missing which are better? also if anyone has any church teachings that absolve the man from any mortal sin when he has relations with a wife who uses contraception I'm all ears, for now I believe it would be a mortal sin for me to have relations  with the wife.


    IMHO the best avenue is to find someone who teaches the Creighton Method, and go together to the class. I think there is a wonderful chance you're wife will be amazed at what Creighton has to offer. I would be willing to talk to you both of you, if you feel comfortable. Creighton blew me away, and it made our marriage much stronger.

    Pax,
    Tarpeian


    Are you guys talking about ways to engage in conjugal acts while removing the possibility of pregnancy?

    she is so I'm stuck, I'm open o morekids but she isn't


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    « Reply #23 on: July 31, 2013, 04:56:45 PM »
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    Presently my better half has the iud, I've been staying away but it's getting desperate now, I gave her a link to the cervical mucus method which she read up on and says no way she would do it, are there any other methods that we;re missing which are better? also if anyone has any church teachings that absolve the man from any mortal sin when he has relations with a wife who uses contraception I'm all ears, for now I believe it would be a mortal sin for me to have relations  with the wife.


    IMHO the best avenue is to find someone who teaches the Creighton Method, and go together to the class. I think there is a wonderful chance you're wife will be amazed at what Creighton has to offer. I would be willing to talk to you both of you, if you feel comfortable. Creighton blew me away, and it made our marriage much stronger.

    Pax,
    Tarpeian


    Are you guys talking about ways to engage in conjugal acts while removing the possibility of pregnancy?

    she is so I'm stuck, I'm open o morekids but she isn't


    Consult a priest about that - any (even novus ordo) - and then tell us what kind of advice you received.  

    I think you may need to take drastic measures but I'm holding my tongue for the time being.  

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    « Reply #24 on: July 31, 2013, 05:47:06 PM »
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    You are absolved of culpability if your wife insists on using artificial contraception against your objections. Love her. Pray for her. Remember there are the things that we can control and there are the things that we cannot control and it is true wisdom to know the difference.  

    I'd like to think you're right, but I don't see that in church teaching, do you have any teachings that confirm this point of view?

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    « Reply #25 on: July 31, 2013, 07:12:36 PM »
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  • "please please please have your wife research iud.... it does not prevent conception it does prevent the baby from attaching to the womb... she is being deceived... it is a form of abortion. I pray she she is using this in total ignorance..and will stop. also there are many dangers using it (i am not speaking from experience just info obtained over the years.) "

    Everyone needs to pay attention to this post by pat...we are not talking contraception here...we are talking IUD = abortion.

    It took me all of three seconds to find this info on Human Life International's website about this. Please research!!

    http://www.hli.org/component/content/article/40-facts-of-life/583-facts-of-life-chapter-21-contraception-3-the-legal-connection-between-contraception-and-abortion




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    « Reply #26 on: August 01, 2013, 05:31:00 PM »
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  • gooch,

    Please read the testimony of Gloria Polo (she has received the permission of her bishop to share her story) who was struck by lightening and died after receiving third degree burns to her internal organs including ovaries, uterus, and breasts BECAUSE SHE WAS USING AN IUD.

    http://www.gloria.polo.ortiz.in/

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    « Reply #27 on: August 01, 2013, 07:11:22 PM »
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    gooch,

    Please read the testimony of Gloria Polo (she has received the permission of her bishop to share her story) who was struck by lightening and died after receiving third degree burns to her internal organs including ovaries, uterus, and breasts BECAUSE SHE WAS USING AN IUD.

    http://www.gloria.polo.ortiz.in/

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    « Reply #28 on: August 01, 2013, 07:18:55 PM »
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  • found this, although I don't put too much stock in it
    http://churchmilitant.tumblr.com/sexquestions

    4 - Are both spouses guilty of a mortal sin if one chooses to use a contraceptive against the others will?

    No. If a man decides to have a vasectomy against his wife’s will, she may still have sex with him and not be guilty. Likewise, if a woman is taking birth control pills against a husband’s wished, he may still have sex with her and remain guilt free.

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    « Reply #29 on: August 01, 2013, 07:25:27 PM »
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  • Quote from: gooch
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    Remember the vow about freely welcoming children? God's will. Not your lifestyle or at your convenience.

    Start breaking the vows you end up breaking the marriage, talk to a priest, both of you.

    But it sounds like already your communication has broken down. Work fast.

    I agree, if it means the breakdown of my marriage I don't see a way out...anone hve experience with the following, Popular types of natural family planning include the rhythm method,  and the basal body temperature method.


    My advice is bribe her to meet NOT A PRIEST but a married couple of about your age, or a few years older, who live in a beautifully tidy house and talk to couples about natural family planning.  Women want to hear this stuff from women basically.  If she is a bookworm there are so really well written and funny books on the topic too.  You can find counselling couples like this through the NFP associations.

    When she is a little happier with the concept then you can see a priest.

     

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