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wife rejects natural family planning
« Reply #170 on: August 08, 2013, 10:59:07 PM »
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Quote from: gooch
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Why would she?  She has an IUD she is hardly going to worry about masturbation and you are not with her 24x7.

And finally Gooch, if she's not going to leave you then why post in the first place?  Stop kidding yourself.  When a woman throws the word divorce around it means she's thought about it.

Best of luck, I have a weekend of stuff to do.


it has nothing to do with the emotional support for a 4th child, she's feeling run down and tired, but if I do give in then for sure I save my marriage, but at what cost..my soul? as for her not leaving this is what I feel, she's threatened but I don't think she'll pull the trigger, but if I do nothing she will continue to be miserable which I don't want, this is the pickle I'm in


I do think this is a good topic and a personal trouble that we can all hopefully learn from.

If your wife was sick, would you leave her? Of course not. It's a similar situation with a crisis of faith.

Listen to her, love her, encourage to undo the problem BUT don't be forceful and overbearing. You don't want her to pull back more. Yes, what she's doing is wrong.

Your soul is not in danger if you're intimate with her so get that out of your head.

Don't push her away or deny her affection. Fulfill your role as a husband in all respects.


You know what an IUD does? It can kill a baby. He's doing the right thing not sleeping with her right now. If a baby does try to implant, she's murdering a child if it doesn't.

wife rejects natural family planning
« Reply #171 on: August 09, 2013, 05:21:41 AM »
Quote from: gooch
found this, although I don't put too much stock in it
http://churchmilitant.tumblr.com/sexquestions

4 - Are both spouses guilty of a mortal sin if one chooses to use a contraceptive against the others will?

No. If a man decides to have a vasectomy against his wife’s will, she may still have sex with him and not be guilty. Likewise, if a woman is taking birth control pills against a husband’s wished, he may still have sex with her and remain guilt free.

Pius XI teaches the same thing in Casti Connubii:

"59. Holy Church knows well that not infrequently one of the parties is sinned against rather than sinning, when for a grave cause he or she reluctantly allows the perversion of the right order. In such a case, there is no sin, provided that, mindful of the law of charity, he or she does not neglect to seek to dissuade and to deter the partner from sin."

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html

Notice an effort to correct the spouse must be made, even if it doesn't succeed. If there is no practical change, keep praying that she has a change of heart. There's nothing more you can do. But there's no obligation to abstain.

 If your conscience still troubles you, talk to a priest for reassurance (don't go near a Novus Ordo priest, and find an absolutely traditional one who teaches that NFP can only be used for a grave reason). He will tell you the same as Pius XI, but it often helps to have a priest's personal assurance that you are doing nothing wrong, and he may pray for your wife as well. Have a Mass said for your intention (that your wife stops using this method).  


wife rejects natural family planning
« Reply #172 on: August 09, 2013, 05:25:54 AM »
What if a man knew his wife would have an abortion if she got pregnant by him?

While it's certainly true one does not sin in paying the marriage debt to a sinning spouse, it is casuistry that ignores some pretty serious moral issues to simply say "no sin" regardless of the circuмstances.

wife rejects natural family planning
« Reply #173 on: August 09, 2013, 11:38:22 AM »
Quote from: Raphaela
Quote from: gooch
found this, although I don't put too much stock in it
http://churchmilitant.tumblr.com/sexquestions

4 - Are both spouses guilty of a mortal sin if one chooses to use a contraceptive against the others will?

No. If a man decides to have a vasectomy against his wife’s will, she may still have sex with him and not be guilty. Likewise, if a woman is taking birth control pills against a husband’s wished, he may still have sex with her and remain guilt free.

Pius XI teaches the same thing in Casti Connubii:

"59. Holy Church knows well that not infrequently one of the parties is sinned against rather than sinning, when for a grave cause he or she reluctantly allows the perversion of the right order. In such a case, there is no sin, provided that, mindful of the law of charity, he or she does not neglect to seek to dissuade and to deter the partner from sin."

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xi/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_p-xi_enc_31121930_casti-connubii_en.html

Notice an effort to correct the spouse must be made, even if it doesn't succeed. If there is no practical change, keep praying that she has a change of heart. There's nothing more you can do. But there's no obligation to abstain.

 If your conscience still troubles you, talk to a priest for reassurance (don't go near a Novus Ordo priest, and find an absolutely traditional one who teaches that NFP can only be used for a grave reason). He will tell you the same as Pius XI, but it often helps to have a priest's personal assurance that you are doing nothing wrong, and he may pray for your wife as well. Have a Mass said for your intention (that your wife stops using this method).  


Was the IUD out when Pius XI was pope? Only the pill was, methinks. The pill simply stops ovulation. The IUD murders an embryo (with an immortal soul) that cannot attach to the mother's womb because of the device.

They weren't even widely used until the 1950s because of the problems associated with them, infections, et cetera. No one in their right minds were using them, and certainly no doctor would have given the recommendation to use them at that time.

wife rejects natural family planning
« Reply #174 on: August 09, 2013, 12:11:56 PM »
Some homonal BC pills are abortifacient also.

Hormonal contraception ascribes a three-fold action to these agents.  1. inhibition of ovulation, 2. inhibition of sperm transport, and 3. production of a ‘hostile endometrium’, which prevents or disrupts implantation of the developing baby if the first two mechanisms fail.