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Offline Lighthouse

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« Reply #135 on: August 02, 2013, 06:56:06 PM »
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  • Another side observation about ggreg's sidetracks: does ggreg really believe they use dead bodies for heart transplants?

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    « Reply #136 on: August 02, 2013, 07:42:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    Copyright 2006, Pope Paul VI Institute for the Study of Human Reproduction. All rights reserved.

    Tarpeian, you're not going to make friends here linking crap like this.

    Paul VI was a homosexual. Last thing people want to read is about a birth control method that's name is somehow attached to this disgraceful human being.


    I can't control the name of the institute. I can vouch for the doctor and the method. Besides throwing the baby out with the bath water, knowing the scandal with Paul VI IMHO doesn't make sense. Although I would be the first in line to vote for a name change.

    Pax,
    Tarpeian


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    « Reply #137 on: August 02, 2013, 07:44:20 PM »
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    And that my friends is why 'the resistance' will never survive and thrive.  It is made up of perfectionists, pedants, prigs and purists who will never be able to reach a consensus on anything.  A house divided against itself and all that good stuff.


     :roll-laugh1:
    Oh man, that's rich!  Did you write that yourself?  Also, what time is your puppet show?

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    « Reply #138 on: August 02, 2013, 07:49:55 PM »
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  • ggreg is a liberal, no doubt.

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    « Reply #139 on: August 02, 2013, 07:52:15 PM »
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  • Does the Church rule by consensus?


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    « Reply #140 on: August 02, 2013, 09:45:42 PM »
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    Zeutin I'm not getting into a ___ contest with someone on the internet. It's a public board, if you want to repost my posts, you are free to. I try to reject feminism and try to especially encourage young women towards  traditional values when I interact with them.  

    Again a person doesn't need to be married to recognize feminism.


    Tiffany,

    You've not been shy about posting details of your disordered life.  Perhaps you should take Our Lord's advice and not judge as the hypocrites do.  It's certainly not the womanly thing to do to accuse others of feminism without first examining your own conscience.

    God bless!!!!  :cheers:
    Attack me all you want. It's not judging "as the hypocrites do" to call our feminist thought.

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    « Reply #141 on: August 02, 2013, 10:05:20 PM »
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    « Reply #142 on: August 02, 2013, 10:09:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    "He was controlling, so I had to leave him" - how many so-called trads will accept that excuse at face value from women - how many Catholic men see themselves blamed for their wives abandoning the religion and abandoning their responsibilities?

    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say this justification of women's horrible behavior and their knowledge that interlopers will support them, even at their own church, for breaking up their families, is one of the major reasons for the high divorce rate, particularly for religious men.

    Being a pious man means getting a kick in the teeth from the liberals in the congregation when the worst happens.




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    Please see the big picture and know that the devil's goal here is to split you up.  Your priority must be your soul and the soul of your wife.  Even if she has the IUD removed she may still divorce you because of the real issue--control.  While you are the head of the family, in your heavy-handedness, you haven't loved her as Christ loves the Church.  You rule her with an iron rod instead of with tender mercy.  
     


    It's his fault for his heavy-handedness and not loving her.


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    « Reply #143 on: August 02, 2013, 10:26:24 PM »
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    Gooch, according to the other thread you converted around two years ago or less.

    So it's not like your wife married you with a full and frank understanding of what she was letting himself in for.  You weren't from a family of 9 kids with all of your brothers and sisters having 6 or more.

    From her perspective you have moved the goalposts on her.  She was at least a decade into a marriage where she thought she could use contraception and all of a suddenly she is not only dealing with a convert's zeal (famous for causing these and other problems) but a bunch of other stuff like trousers, broccoli and inoculations.

    Blimey man, can't you see what has happened here?

    Turn the dial back a little.  Turn the volume down.  Let her slowly absorb the new you.

    With that I wish you luck and I have deals to do.

    yes I have moved the goal posts on her, not sure though are you advocating I give in to her? when you say turn the volume down I believe i am doing that, but unless I give in I don't see how else I can turn the dial back...as for trading in other issues for this one that won't fly, she's into the organic food, I don' force her to go to the mass every sunday..she understands the kids will never be vaccinated again...

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    « Reply #144 on: August 02, 2013, 10:26:49 PM »
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    "He was controlling, so I had to leave him" - how many so-called trads will accept that excuse at face value from women - how many Catholic men see themselves blamed for their wives abandoning the religion and abandoning their responsibilities?

    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say this justification of women's horrible behavior and their knowledge that interlopers will support them, even at their own church, for breaking up their families, is one of the major reasons for the high divorce rate, particularly for religious men.

    Being a pious man means getting a kick in the teeth from the liberals in the congregation when the worst happens.


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    Please see the big picture and know that the devil's goal here is to split you up.  Your priority must be your soul and the soul of your wife.  Even if she has the IUD removed she may still divorce you because of the real issue--control.  While you are the head of the family, in your heavy-handedness, you haven't loved her as Christ loves the Church.  You rule her with an iron rod instead of with tender mercy.  
     


    It's his fault for his heavy-handedness and not loving her.


    How presumptuous.

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    « Reply #145 on: August 02, 2013, 10:35:17 PM »
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    "He was controlling, so I had to leave him" - how many so-called trads will accept that excuse at face value from women - how many Catholic men see themselves blamed for their wives abandoning the religion and abandoning their responsibilities?

    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say this justification of women's horrible behavior and their knowledge that interlopers will support them, even at their own church, for breaking up their families, is one of the major reasons for the high divorce rate, particularly for religious men.

    Being a pious man means getting a kick in the teeth from the liberals in the congregation when the worst happens.


    Quote from: Zeitun


    Please see the big picture and know that the devil's goal here is to split you up.  Your priority must be your soul and the soul of your wife.  Even if she has the IUD removed she may still divorce you because of the real issue--control.  While you are the head of the family, in your heavy-handedness, you haven't loved her as Christ loves the Church.  You rule her with an iron rod instead of with tender mercy.  
     


    It's his fault for his heavy-handedness and not loving her.


    How presumptuous.



    Go back a few pages and read the exchange between us.


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    « Reply #146 on: August 02, 2013, 10:44:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    So, Gooch has a major moral dilemma in his family because he married a girl who is nonchalant and sees herself as the ultimate creator by using birth control.  That's where she is morally and it's a state of mortal sin.  

    Gooch is stuck with this.  Gooch has screwed the pooch!  In a manner of speaking.    

    So, what's Gooch to do now?  

    I say follow the advice I gave earlier.  Sanctify himself with prayer, sacrifice, assisting at the Traditional Catholic Mass ONLY and bring his children with him.  Sanctify himself and then sanctify the children.  

    It's a process and it may take months.  

    Gooch will have to pray the Rosary daily with intentions for his wife and her conversion and for the children that they may embrace fully the Traditional Catholic faith.  

    Gooch will need to refrain from all immoral practices, giving up all porn, lust, and even limit his intake of TV.  

    Gooch will need to go to a Traditional Catholic priest for a General Confession.  This will take much prayer and meditation on Gooch's part and then he will have to have the courage to go into the confessional and spill the beans entirely.

    Gooch will need to be patient with his wife but he will also have to spell it out for her that what she is doing is repulsive from a secular point of view but absolute death of the soul in the supernatural realm.  He will have to revisit this conversation several times.  If his wife divorces him over this, then she probably possesses a rancid soul.  

    Gooch should also start to purchase plaster statues of Catholic saints, in particular Our Lady, have them blessed by a priest and then display them in prominent spots in the home.  Consecrate the home to the Sacred Heart.  

    There should be a crucifix in every room (except the bathroom).  

    Gooch has to take a stand and make a change.  Change is good if it's in the direction of embracing the Traditional Catholic faith.  

    When a guy marries a girl who is openly using birth control, he probably has a lot of problems in addition to the wife.  So Gooch will have to single out these problems and conquer them one after the other.  

    It's even possible that Gooch, by asking for advice on this forum, may not even be the intended beneficiary of this advice.  The blessings may be reserved for one of his children or one of his grandchildren.  

    The blessing may even be for the child his wife gives birth to after she gets rid of that absolutely soul-killing and rancid practice of birth control.  

    I wish Gooch all the luck in the world and may God bless him.


    captain thanks for the advice, Gooch has already done most of the above, not as many crucifix's as I would like though, it's been a 1 year and a half since I conquered all my problems of lust, if she would agree not to have relations for the rest of our lives but be together as a family I would agree in a heartbeat, as it stands now she's not willing to do that, we were married into the fruitless novus order church, I'm paying for it now...but I don't believe divorce will result of this...God only knows

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    « Reply #147 on: August 02, 2013, 10:48:51 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    My advice is discuss with a priest.As for NFP, I am not married but very  much against NFP. It's not right.The providence of God will determine how many children a married couple have.The talk of charts and like is not of God.

    I agree, I talked it over briefly with the priest in confession and he said  shouldn't have relations, as for nfp if I'm being totally honest my thinking is that God can't condemn me for giving in to the wife if she's practising nfp, as of now with the iud if I give in I believe I will be rightfully condemned by God

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    « Reply #148 on: August 02, 2013, 10:57:24 PM »
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    "He was controlling, so I had to leave him" - how many so-called trads will accept that excuse at face value from women - how many Catholic men see themselves blamed for their wives abandoning the religion and abandoning their responsibilities?

    I don't think it's an exaggeration to say this justification of women's horrible behavior and their knowledge that interlopers will support them, even at their own church, for breaking up their families, is one of the major reasons for the high divorce rate, particularly for religious men.

    Being a pious man means getting a kick in the teeth from the liberals in the congregation when the worst happens.




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    Please see the big picture and know that the devil's goal here is to split you up.  Your priority must be your soul and the soul of your wife.  Even if she has the IUD removed she may still divorce you because of the real issue--control.  While you are the head of the family, in your heavy-handedness, you haven't loved her as Christ loves the Church.  You rule her with an iron rod instead of with tender mercy.  
     


    It's his fault for his heavy-handedness and not loving her.

    why do you say I don't love her? what exactly was my heavy handedness, which issue are yousaying I should have been more lenient? should I still be going to the novus order mass? would this be loving her more?

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    « Reply #149 on: August 02, 2013, 11:24:01 PM »
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    Quote from: John Grace
    My advice is discuss with a priest.As for NFP, I am not married but very  much against NFP. It's not right.The providence of God will determine how many children a married couple have.The talk of charts and like is not of God.

    I agree, I talked it over briefly with the priest in confession and he said  shouldn't have relations, as for nfp if I'm being totally honest my thinking is that God can't condemn me for giving in to the wife if she's practising nfp, as of now with the iud if I give in I believe I will be rightfully condemned by God
    Stay in touch with the priest and know that we are praying for your family.

     

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