Ive read this whole thread.  Some of you have been working feverishly to derail it.  Now, we are talking about organic food and vaccinations.  ggreg, your posts are very well put, and you have very good advice.  

My misguided zeal (im a convert also)  caused much friction in my marriage and it  caused a divorce.  I became a Catholic in 1961.  After that the church immediately started changing.  I overreacted and felt like I had to continually fight for the faith.  My husband went Novus Ordo.  I look back over the years, and think of how I could have reacted differently to many situations.  I could write a book on the subject.

Believe me, divorce puts an end to your family and any goals you could have had for your children becoming good catholics.

Ggreg  is who you should listen to, gooch.  I, like others here, would suggest you get counseling from a TRADITIONAL priest only.  He will be able to guide you on how to treat your wife, and what is morally acceptible.    Stay away from the "p r e s b y t e r s " .

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Well, assuming there is only one person to blame, there is a good chance he is the one to blame, since there are only two people involved.

There is no chance gooch is to blame for her decision, you swine.

If the blame is shared, then I am blaming him because he is the one posting and asking for advice.  Blaming his wife is not constructive.  Obviously she is at fault for getting an IUD, but she's not asking for advice.

Blaming himself for his wife's bad decisions is what is not constructive.  It is delusional to believe that his wife is doing this because of his stand on organic food and vaccinations.  And you are feeding that guilt and delusion for doing the right thing.  Just like his relatives are enabling her with their lies about him.  You're malignant.  You see a man in a bad situation and you pile on like the others.

Let's assume that you, Tele, are completely correct in your views of how to deal with women and Gooch brings home a stick as thin as his finger and gives her a damn good spanking, or stands there and uses phrases, like exceedingly evil, interloper, ungodly and vicious attack.

Did I say he should do that?  No.  That is a lying misrepresentation of what I said.  Just as it is a lying misrepresentation to make this woman's evil decision a consequence of Gooch making decisions for thefamily.

How is Mrs Gooch going to react.  Here is a women who after the last baby had a coil fitted.   She's hardly likely to agree with her husband and run off to fetch his pipe and slippers.  Softly, softly catch a monkey.

How would the woman react if her whole family told her husband was right and said they'd never accept her leaving her husband.  If they told her she was to blame and her excuses were pathetic she'd never act this way.  Catholics do not support injustice.

There is a reason you have never had a girlfriend or a wife Tele and it is because you lack empathy.  You lack an understanding that to get from A to B is sometimes a journey.  People don't just beam there like Captain Kirk.  You probably scare the living crap out of women for this reason.

Wow, of course, this goes to something you've made up: "I've never had girlfriend" - together with a made-up reason "lack of empathy."  I don't think I've ever seen someone less empathetic, arrogant, or more inclined to make things up, than yourself.  I doubt that was your father's "secret" - Oh yes, your whole family is in church every week, because we don't sweat the "small stuff" - like basic integrity.  I tell women I don't believe in contraception.  That has saved me a lot of grief.  

I've made millions of dollars in business by changing people's minds and making them think about things from a different perspective.

You show a disregard for the truth and for morality, and your justifying your position by how much money you makes shows the impoverishment of your arguments.

I know a thing or two about practical human psychology and insisting on a person eating and entire moral menu all at once is a good way to guarantee they will vomit it up.

Gooch is acting like a saint and you're blaming him, because you're a damned pharisee.  

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Ive read this whole thread.  Some of you have been working feverishly to derail it.  Now, we are talking about organic food and vaccinations.  ggreg, your posts are very well put, and you have very good advice.  

My misguided zeal (im a convert also)  caused much friction in my marriage and it  caused a divorce.  I became a Catholic in 1961.  After that the church immediately started changing.  I overreacted and felt like I had to continually fight for the faith.  My husband went Novus Ordo.  I look back over the years, and think of how I could have reacted differently to many situations.  I could write a book on the subject.

Believe me, divorce puts an end to your family and any goals you could have had for your children becoming good catholics.

Ggreg  is who you should listen to, gooch.  I, like others here, would suggest you get counseling from a TRADITIONAL priest only.  He will be able to guide you on how to treat your wife, and what is morally acceptible.    Stay away from the "p r e s b y t e r s " .

I think you should write a book about this, or at least an article.  I know a marriage that ended in divorce, and the story was almost identical to yours.  It was very sad, the result of the divorce was that the wife lost educational custody and all of their children went to public school.

Was this the case in Ohio?  If so I heard about that.

Anyway Gooch I will bow out, because this thread will otherwise degenerate into a sh!tfest but please come back in a year or two and resurrect the thread and give us and future readers the benefit of hindsight.  If you save your marriage how did you do it and  if you didn't, what you could have done better if you had a second chance.

Fat chance of that.

You're absolutely right of course.  But it doesn't sound like the family agrees with Gooch.  Sounds like he's on his own.  

He's on his own against people who think like ggreg, who blame men for the evil women do.

Every priests I've talked to on the issue of a non-Catholic spouse said the same thing--stand your ground but win them over with charity.  

This is one of the worst parts of marriage--the inability to force a spouse to do the right thing and live a virtuous life.

The men making excuses for women misbehaving and blaming men for what women do are legion.

I cannot believe anyone would say you aren't married because your standards are too high.  Impossible.  Wish more men had your standards.

Ever notice how the liberal never admits men are rejected for actually accepting the religion.  A woman rejects a man because he doesn't want to practice contraception, wants to follow traditional courtship, or commit to marriage, etc etc, but in ggreg's pathological BS-world, it's because of lack of empathy.

 

I wonder what sort of management techniques could have kept Judas "on the team."

Ever notice how the liberal never admits men are rejected for actually accepting the religion.  A woman rejects a man because he doesn't want to practice contraception, wants to follow traditional courtship, or commit to marriage, etc etc, but in ggreg's pathological BS-world, it's because of lack of empathy.

I know a man who was mocked by his family for choosing the true Faith over the NO product.

Gooch can convert his wife through prayer, fasting, holding fast to the Truth, and with charity.