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Offline DZ PLEASE

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Re: Wicked husband, children watching
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2017, 07:56:34 AM »
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  • I am using my intellect and judgment based on how people construct troll posts. The above post hits markers. We can often be honestly mistaken in judgment. I am not required to believe every sob story I hear or see and it might be actually sinful to do so in certain ridiculous situations.
    You are wrong as two boys fornication "bro". I'm gonna be... not here. 
    wow.
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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #16 on: September 08, 2017, 08:07:11 AM »
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  • Wow. I was not expecting 'troll'. 
    Whoever you are nctrad you are wrong and this is my life, you need to take your 'who cares' and leave. I came here for help hoping maybe another Catholic out there had some experience with a situation like mine. It has been a long and lonely road and people like you make it that much worse. Thanks. 


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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #17 on: September 08, 2017, 08:15:03 AM »
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  • The problem with trolls is that they would respond exactly how the person responded above with the faux outrage.

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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #18 on: September 08, 2017, 08:17:14 AM »
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #19 on: September 08, 2017, 08:18:44 AM »
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  • The problem with trolls is that they would respond exactly how the person responded above with the faux outrage.
    Even if you were right, you're still wrong. 

    A pointing finger makes great cover. 

    You're an ass. 

    Ignored.
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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #20 on: September 08, 2017, 08:24:53 AM »
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  • It is clear that nc is severely lacking in discernment and needs to go work on that before posting on threads. Bad advice all around. 

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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #21 on: September 08, 2017, 08:31:58 AM »
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  • St. Rita had the same problem with her husband corrupting the children, as did St. Monica to an extent (although St. Augustine was often his own worst enemy).

    Separation is permitted in the case of adultery, and his constant unrepentant use or pornography IMO could possibly rise to that level.  And if you believe that the children's souls might be in mortal danger, that might constitute grounds for separation.  Who knows, perhaps the threat of separation might cause this clown to rethink things.

    Unfortunately, you chose your spouse quite poorly.  Whether or not you were Novus Ordo before, his lack of character was most likely already manifest even before you became a Traditional Catholic.   Perhaps you could win him over by showing him lots of affection.  Sometimes even the hardest of male hearts can be moved by a woman's love and affection.  People can be turned off by Traditional Catholicism if it comes with a spirit of bitter zeal and Jansenistic attitudes, so it might be prudent to "pick your battles" and show him some affection (if you still have it in you, i.e. if you still have any feelings left for him at all).

    At the end of the day, however, these are my own opinions only ... based on very limited information.  I believe that you should continue to obey your priests in the matter.  God will not punish you for following their advice.  Perhaps it's simply His will that your children be subjected to this man's influence, for whatever reason, for their ULTIMATE good, and the torment he causes you can also be an instrument for your sanctification.  Sometimes God allows people to stray and to fall so that in the END they might find their way, often having learned great lessons from their falls.  Until a person has died in a state of mortal sin, we never give up.

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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #22 on: September 08, 2017, 08:39:58 AM »
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  • I know of a father who decided to abandon the family altogether so he could frolic off and contemplate stuff.  The next dad who moved in abused the kids.  
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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #23 on: September 08, 2017, 08:43:37 AM »
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  • Don't think the added horror shows or post-blast-assessments are helping right now.
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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #24 on: September 08, 2017, 08:49:45 AM »
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  • No I would not remarry and am not looking for divorce, it would only be separation, or stay and endure. My goal is to do the right thing for my children. So many years of prayer and walking that thin line I had hoped for our miracle by now. I have tried it all, patience, sweetness, catering to this man that wants nothing to do with me. 
    I need to know that I am not an enabler by staying. 
    Or is that a term that doesn't apply to Catholics? 

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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #25 on: September 08, 2017, 08:50:16 AM »
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  • http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05054c.htm

    "Heresy or Defection from the Faith" constitutes grounds for permanent separation.  Sounds to me as if this man is likely a heretic on one point or another.

    Temporary (so long as the danger lasts) separation may be justified and even required in cases of danger to body or soul, including ...

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    ... the neglect of the proper education of the children


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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #26 on: September 08, 2017, 08:59:09 AM »
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  • Don't think the added horror shows or post-blast-assessments are helping right now.
    I was referring to Pope Benedict XVI.  
    The takeaway: we're in an age of broken families.  
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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #27 on: September 08, 2017, 09:03:34 AM »
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  • I was referring to Pope Benedict XVI.  
    The takeaway: we're in an age of broken families.  
    Very clever, but they're no "dad's" of mine.

    Figured you'd at least want a reminder that "...we're done talking."
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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #28 on: September 08, 2017, 09:07:23 AM »
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  • The CCC says 'heresy', so that would make grounds for separation in SO many marriages. It is confusing for me because the model of the Saints have shown to stay and endure, priests have advised to also, but this alternative is something that stays with me because I see my children suffer and want them to be freed from this oppression..although they'll lose their father but it'll be my fault and not his. 
    See, this is why no one will touch my case, it is a no win no matter which way I go. 

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    Re: Wicked husband, children watching
    « Reply #29 on: September 08, 2017, 09:11:00 AM »
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  • The CCC says 'heresy', so that would make grounds for separation in SO many marriages. It is confusing for me because the model of the Saints have shown to stay and endure, priests have advised to also, but this alternative is something that stays with me because I see my children suffer and want them to be freed from this oppression..although they'll lose their father but it'll be my fault and not his.
    See, this is why no one will touch my case, it is a no win no matter which way I go.
    So, wait a sec ma'am. Not to add more to your ruck but, if you're referencing the "CCC", then why aren't you talking to your "ordinary" about this?
    "Lord, have mercy".