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Offline s2srea

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Why your child needs a knife
« on: June 28, 2012, 08:06:22 PM »
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    Why your child needs a knife

    Why Your Child Needs a Knife

    Posted on August 12, 2009
    by Rusty Pritchard
    If your child is eight years old and doesn't have a pocketknife, you're not a very good parent. If you don't have a pocketknife, you'll want one after reading this article.

    Kids need unstructured time in nature.

    I’ve been on camping trips with other families whose own kids were kept far from knives. Their children were warned not to interact with nature.

    “Don’t go off the path.”
    “Don’t play with the fire.”
    “Don’t pick up insects.”
    “Stay away from snakes.”
    “Watch out for poison ivy.”
    “Don’t play with knives.”
    “DON’T TOUCH ANYTHING.”

    My own kids were of course the ones catching snakes, licking slugs, picking up bugs, climbing trees, leaving the path, carving things, and getting the other kids into trouble. They (mostly) don’t get poison ivy, because they know what it looks like. They don’t pick up poisonous snakes because they know what they look like. They know that Florida green anoles (lizards) will bite your earlobes and hang on until you take them off, making great temporary clip-on earrings. They have a lot of fun. Unsupervised fun for the most part, which is what kids lack these days, according to Richard Louv, author of Last Child in the Woods and the person who coined the phrase “nature deficit disorder.”

    Why the worried parents? Many are themselves uncomfortable or unfamiliar with the outdoors, for whom camping is a genuine novelty, and who spent more time in malls than outdoors as a child. But I think less is personality and more is culture.

    Loose rocks found on a granite outcrop.

    It’s the culture of childproofing and child safety run amok. These parents seem to have the belief that their main responsibility is to deliver their children to college having never been injured in childhood in any way. Of course children seem to have the opposite goal, but without ever encountering danger, they never learn how to handle themselves in the face of it.

    It’s also the “Take only pictures; leave only footprints” culture, carried almost to its logical conclusion. Nature is a museum (a dangerous museum), and combining people with nature is a recipe for someone to get hurt, either nature or the intruding human. What we really need is more people in creation, learning to love it and use it and protect it.

    Kids need knives. They are one of the most supremely useful tools for interacting with creation. They’re an important part of moral and creative development. And they let kids harvest their own raw materials and modify them for creative play.

    Richard Louv writes about the theory of “loose parts” that has begun to influence child-play experts and landscape architects. The originator of the theory is a well-known British artist named Ben Nicholson, who died in 1990. Nicholson contended that: “in any environment, both the degree of inventiveness and creativity, and the possibility of discovery, are directly proportional to the number and kind of variables in it.” Playing with “loose parts” is far different than the scripted play that goes along with so many modern toys with commercial movie and cartoon tie-ins. Up and down the toy aisles of Target and Wal-mart you don’t find much in the way of raw materials. You find products that require you to buy accessories designed to go with them, which are hard to incorporate with toys in other product lines.



    Loose-parts play is open-ended; requiring far more creativity and imagination, and developing far more skill and competence, than most modern plastic toys allow (and certainly more than is found in computer games). As Louv writes: “a typical list of loose parts for a natural play area might include water, trees, bushes, flowers, and long grasses, a pond and the creatures in it, along with other living things, sand (best if it can be mixed with water), places to sit in, on, under; structures that offer privacy and views. Go beyond that play area, to woods, fields, and streams, and the parts become looser and even more potent to the imagination.”

    Having and knowing how to use a knife gives kids power to transform materials in useful ways. We designate certain weedy shrubs and fast-growing trees in the wilder areas of our small urban yard as permitted source materials for the kids, and keep them around for just that purpose. They learn to use it responsibly. They know there are consequences to their actions with a knife, for nature as well as for their fingers! And they know that their tool needs care, sharpening, and protection from misuse. They also become firm believers in private property when their brother tries to poach their prized possession.

    We started the boys off making soap carvings at ages three and four, on Ivory soap, with “knives and chisels” I whittled out of wooden popsicle sticks. They loved it. We started letting them whittle with a knife, under close supervision, seated with a parent and with no other kids around, when they were about four-and-a-half. The rule was that if anyone else approached, they put down the knife.

    The best starting “real” knife is a fixed blade knife with a wooden handle and short sharp blade (like the Murphy knife; all the knives mentioned here are available from the Flourish store). At age six they got their own folding-blade pocketknife. Some people like lock-back blades (like the Victorinox Sentinel, a great knife), and we got one for our first son, but I seriously don’t think it’s necessary. The French-made Opinel is beautiful (and cheap), has a single folding blade that sharpens really well and has a lovely pearwood handle—my nine-year old loves this knife. My six year old has never folded the blade onto his fingers (yet).

    To see the knives mentioned above, along with soap carving kits and woodcarving kits, go to the Flourish store and in the “Browse by Category” section on the right click on “Children and the Outdoors” and then on the subcategory “Knives and Whittling.” And you must learn to sharpen well! Whether you have ki


    Offline theology101

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    Why your child needs a knife
    « Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 08:42:15 PM »
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  • I really like this article. My grandfather gave me my first pocket knife when I was seven, for all the same reasons. I was in Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, and thank God. I got my first rifle (a single-shot Winchester .22 from 1920's, also a gift from my grandfather, who got it for Christmas when he was twelve years old) when I was fourteen. My dad sent me to the local 4-H club for shooting lessons.

    I am very glad I grew up country, and learned how to use these two important tools- I have a feeling I will need the knowledge some day soon...


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    Why your child needs a knife
    « Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 08:53:31 PM »
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  • giving your kid a knife?

    better homeschool him

    just to be safe

    schools zero tolerance for knives on campus

    schools little tolerance for parents who let kids have them home

    my dad is boomer kid forced to give up knife in adult life

    often forced to improvise when something needs cutting
    can't tell if ninja

    or cryptotrad

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    Why your child needs a knife
    « Reply #3 on: June 29, 2012, 03:38:43 AM »
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  • Great article, s2srea.

    Our children had a very natural upbringing, free to roam on our 40 acres of bushland, climb granite boulders (no shoes), swim in the river, etc. etc. always accompanied by the dogs, which kept the snakes away, or killed them with a vigorous shaking.

    Books – I bought plenty. You know we once saw an extinct animal (according to one of their nature books) run around the back of our house.

    I never bought any toys. Our daughter had a doll, a gift from her grandparents and all had their own bike. Children are naturally creative and make their own toys.

    Our neighbours belonged to a sect which forbad “raised out figures” because they believed them to be idols, so the little girls were forbidden to have dolls. Do you know, those creative little girls used peach seeds which they dressed and bedded down in matchboxes for the night (on the sly of course). Mango seeds also made great dolls! 'S'pose they still do!

    Yes, people (that means parents) are so alienated from nature nowadays, which is (one reason) why we have such a sick society.

    We had no mains electricity, no refrigeration, no TV, no computers, no washing machine, no clothes dryer. We had river frontage, plenty of firewood, fuel stove, rugged landscape and fewer bills than most.

    It was a wonderful place to bring up children.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2012, 10:48:26 AM »
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  • Thanks! I really liked this paragraph:

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    Richard Louv writes about the theory of “loose parts” that has begun to influence child-play experts and landscape architects. The originator of the theory is a well-known British artist named Ben Nicholson, who died in 1990. Nicholson contended that: “in any environment, both the degree of inventiveness and creativity, and the possibility of discovery, are directly proportional to the number and kind of variables in it.” Playing with “loose parts” is far different than the scripted play that goes along with so many modern toys with commercial movie and cartoon tie-ins. Up and down the toy aisles of Target and Wal-mart you don’t find much in the way of raw materials. You find products that require you to buy accessories designed to go with them, which are hard to incorporate with toys in other product lines.


    I think that it really strikes a chord. I like the quote from the Nicholson fellow especially. Granted, my kids have toys (and plenty of them thanks to their grandparents, Deo Gratias) because where I live, it snows in the winter and they're still plenty small (one is 3 and the other two are twin 1 year olds), so we keep the loft as their play area when they can't be outside. I think there's a place for toys, but I believe its important to take my eldest daughter on hikes whenever I can lately. I try to get her to appreciate nature and to see God in everything. We took my father in law on a hike last weekend who is very secular, and she said, "Grandpa, God made the forest!" I'm hoping a little more of that, along with my rosary intentions help his conversion along lol


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    Why your child needs a knife
    « Reply #5 on: June 29, 2012, 10:55:23 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nylndech
    giving your kid a knife?

    better homeschool him

    just to be safe

    schools zero tolerance for knives on campus

    schools little tolerance for parents who let kids have them home

    my dad is boomer kid forced to give up knife in adult life

    often forced to improvise when something needs cutting


    Ya Nylndech- besides not wanting my kids going to public schools, I believe that if they did have to go to school, I'd keep the think in the drawer until they got home. Other than that, the point of giving your child a knife is to learn respect for it too. And every child is different; some will be ready at, say, age 9, others will have to wait to 13. It will depend on their temperament and maturity.

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    Why your child needs a knife
    « Reply #6 on: June 29, 2012, 11:56:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    Thanks! I really liked this paragraph:

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    Richard Louv writes about the theory of “loose parts” that has begun to influence child-play experts and landscape architects. The originator of the theory is a well-known British artist named Ben Nicholson, who died in 1990. Nicholson contended that: “in any environment, both the degree of inventiveness and creativity, and the possibility of discovery, are directly proportional to the number and kind of variables in it.” Playing with “loose parts” is far different than the scripted play that goes along with so many modern toys with commercial movie and cartoon tie-ins. Up and down the toy aisles of Target and Wal-mart you don’t find much in the way of raw materials. You find products that require you to buy accessories designed to go with them, which are hard to incorporate with toys in other product lines.

       


     :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

     And if we are lucky, we have a favorite tree to climb into or a special hiding place.

     Nothing like a good knife!  Remember carving your names on a tree? The aroma of Hickory Nuts.  Eating apples.  Seeing who can throw it the best. :geezer:

    My boys made really nice walking sticks.  The powers-that-be don't want kids to know how to use hand tools, the same way they don't want kids to know how to learn cursive: they don't want people with individual signatures.  I love knives.


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    Why your child needs a knife
    « Reply #7 on: June 29, 2012, 08:29:09 PM »
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  • nice thread


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    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 07:18:50 PM »
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  • Forgot about this thread :)

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    « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 09:06:01 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:I was given my father's old boyscout pocket knife at age nine.  My first creation was a triple marshmallow toasting fork.  I still enjoy making crochet hooks and knitting needles.  I have an afghan my grandmother (RIP) crocheted and a knitted scarf made on my whittled tools.  I climbed trees, got "stuck" and down, built forts, swung on grape vines, did rock-climbing, aerial photography from the top of a three-tier high tension wire tower, fell in the brook countless times, fell off my bike, jumped eight feet into a foundation hole, you name it.  I'm all for children having free reign outdoors.  I'm "fat n' fifty" now, but I still enjoy camping.  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 09:10:04 PM »
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  • I couldn't agree more with this thread!!    I grew up surrounded by nature & made sure my kids did likewise.  My kids were the only kids on the block playing in the gutter after a rain racing little boats they had made.  Kids don't rust!!

    Just to show you how nature deficient people are these days:  A man was helping me get grapefruit off a tree & saw some small green ones on the tree & said, "That's limes".  Another man called the green lemons, limes.  I kid you not!  Then there's the woman when I showed her my tomato plant & wondered how long it takes for the green  ones to turn red as it seemed that they were green for a long time, she said "Well, maybe they're green tomatoes."  When I said no she said she was thinking of the book about green tomatoes & thought that there were such things.  
    Once when I was teaching I had each of them plant an eye of a potato in an out of the way tiny plot of ground on school grounds.  When it was time to harvest their crop & they saw their golden nuggets, I never saw kids so excited!  You'd have thought they had struck gold!  I had another class plant wheat in a 3 X 3 ft space.  It was magical!  Another class I made sure we checked the clouds & the moon at recess.  My pupils either had their hands in the dirt or their eyes in the sky!   Sorry for droning on but I think it essential that kids have a closeness to nature.      
    "I will lead her into solitude and there I will speak to her heart.  Osee 2:14


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    « Reply #11 on: October 11, 2013, 12:40:45 AM »
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  • Love it. I keep a small Swiss Army knife in my purse.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 11, 2013, 05:51:30 AM »
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  • We always ran around playing in the woods and fields when we were kids.
    It was the best time of my life!!
    When DH and I got married, we tried the Levittown type suburban life, but we couldn't take it. We and our babies needed space, freedom and nature. It isn't healthy for kids to be in school until dinner time, then sit down and do homework and then go to bed.
    Even if you have to allow your kids to go to schools, it's worth it to block out a solid amount of time to just let them run loose in the yard.

    What's the alternative?? Sleep deprivation and peptic ulcers? And that's just the kids!!  :sad:
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    « Reply #13 on: October 11, 2013, 01:19:56 PM »
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  • When my son was five we moved into a new house that backed onto the prairie. It was one of eight inexpensive houses the builder had put up at the edge of a small town. The builder left the best gift anyone could give to the neighborhood children--a very large dirt pile.

    That dirt pile was crawling with kids (mostly little boys) all day long in the summer. They would take their toy trucks out there and create roads and do who knows what all day long. My son had a dedicated pair of shoes for the dirt pile because they were permanently imbued with dirt. He needed to protect his feet from any left over construction materials.

    The other great thing about that place was that our house had an unfinished basement that was big enough that we set up a BB gun shooting range (stuffed a cardboard box with newspaper and hung a blanket behind it). He was in Cub Scouts and got his Whittling Chip Card after he learned to use and care for a pocket knife.

     :geezer:When I was growing up all the boys in my school carried pocketknives (at school too). Anytime anyone needed to cut something, all you had to do was ask the nearest boy to borrow his knife. It's amazing we all lived long enough to graduate.  :rolleyes:

    Offline John Grace

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    « Reply #14 on: October 11, 2013, 04:13:47 PM »
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  • A very interesting thread. A 'Scian' is popular in Ireland. Scian is the Irish word for knife.