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Offline Nadir

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« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2016, 03:03:10 AM »
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  • Gabriella, I recommend to you Colleen Hammond's book Dressing With Dignity. It should help to open your eyes as to why pants are not a good idea.

    You can buy it through Amazon via Matthew's link on the front page.
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    « Reply #91 on: October 18, 2016, 11:23:32 AM »
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  • Gabriella, just because the men weren't scandalized with St Joan wearing pants doesn't mean it's acceptable.  IT WAS A ONE-TIME EXCEPTION.  Surely she didn't wear the same type of pants that women wear today, which are 99.99% immodest.  


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    « Reply #92 on: October 18, 2016, 12:54:25 PM »
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  • This is the same type of fanaticism and black and white thinking that got St. Joan of Arc burned at the stake. This is not about purity or modesty or Catholicism. Just because you where pants does not make you an immodest person or someone who does no value modesty.

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    « Reply #93 on: October 18, 2016, 12:59:28 PM »
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  • St. Francis said that as God is the Light, as we come closer to Him, it is as if we bring a light closer and closer to us. We look at ourselves in the mirror, the less light we have, the less imperfections we see, the more perfect we think we are. As we accept more Light, we begin to see more and more of our imperfections, wrinkles, scars, facial hairs, that we never saw before. When St. Francis died, he was convinced that he deserved Hell, and entrusted himself to God’s Mercy. He knew that he was not clean. ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI!

    My wife wore pants when we first met. As she learned more and more of the Faith, went to confession and accepted everything, she eventually never wore pants again and knew perfectly well why it was wrong. It is all about accepting God's Light, and how close people are to the Light.

    Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit

    "The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.

    The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get  the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".








     

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    « Reply #94 on: October 18, 2016, 01:10:05 PM »
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  • Last Tradican,
    I can relate to your story because that is what you have to do when you try a religious vocation. You give everything and that is a good story in every station of life. However, nothing about that applies to wearing or not wearing pants.


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    « Reply #95 on: October 18, 2016, 03:23:15 PM »
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    This is the same type of fanaticism and black and white thinking that got St. Joan of Arc burned at the stake. This is not about purity or modesty or Catholicism. Just because you where pants does not make you an immodest person or someone who does no value modesty.


    Maybe so, but if it is a matter of ignorance and naivety, you have now been informed of the dangers of causing lustful thoughts in men.

    Do you have your eyes open when you walk? Do you not see sculptured backsides, all the dimensions clearly defined by tight stretchy material. These are a more recent development to the wearing of slacks by women. Loss of virtue is a work in progress. It does not happen overnight.
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    « Reply #96 on: October 18, 2016, 03:55:51 PM »
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  • Here's the bottom line regarding modesty, imo:  As men are more visual, ergo, they define the standards of modesty, in a general sense.  

    Most men would say that a woman cannot wear pants without being AT LEAST a proximate occasion to sin.  At best, pants are 'permissable' in certain circuмstances.  They are certainly NOT edifying or pious.  At worst, they are sinful.

    Just as a woman defines the parameters of 'being listened to', so men define the parameters of 'modesty'.  A man cannot judge his own listening skills, as a woman cannot judge her own modesty.

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    « Reply #97 on: October 18, 2016, 04:08:49 PM »
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  • Pax Vobis, in fact if you poled most men I think they would disagree with you. I've been asking men I work with this question today and I have yet to find one that thought that.


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    « Reply #98 on: October 18, 2016, 04:20:35 PM »
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  • PS Who said anything about tight stretchy material? I just said pants. I didn't say skin tight pants or spandex or leggings as pants. To try to act like people are sinning by wearing pants in general is kind of fanatical. If that is your standard then why are men wearing pants as well? Couldn't that also cause women to look at that area and sin according to the ideas stated here? Men are more visual but women aren't blind either... This really is a bit overboard.

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    Traditional Catholic woman who wears pants while also being concerned with both modesty and fanaticism.

    PS I see nothing wrong with women only choosing to wear skirts, but to try to pass that off as a Catholic moral code is puritanical, not Catholic.

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    « Reply #99 on: October 18, 2016, 04:47:49 PM »
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    St. Francis said that as God is the Light, as we come closer to Him, it is as if we bring a light closer and closer to us. We look at ourselves in the mirror, the less light we have, the less imperfections we see, the more perfect we think we are. As we accept more Light, we begin to see more and more of our imperfections, wrinkles, scars, facial hairs, that we never saw before. When St. Francis died, he was convinced that he deserved Hell, and entrusted himself to God’s Mercy. He knew that he was not clean. ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI!

    My wife wore pants when we first met. As she learned more and more of the Faith, went to confession and accepted everything, she eventually never wore pants again and knew perfectly well why it was wrong. It is all about accepting God's Light, and how close people are to the Light.

    Johnnie and His Little White Rabbit

    "The father of the house came home and called all his children together. He then told them if they gathered up all of their toys, every single last one of them, and gave them away to the poor, that he would then buy them new toys, much more toys, and better toys. However, they had to give away every single toy or else they would not get anything.

    The next day the father came home and found a big pile of toys stacked in the living room. He asked the children; is that all the toys, every single last one of them? All the children answered yes, but Johnnie. Johnnie was holding his hands behind his back. His father asked him, Johnnie, did you put all your toys in the pile? Johnnie answered yes, father. The father asked him, Johnnie, what do you have behind your back, show me your hands. Then Johnnie showed his little white stuffed rabbit, his favorite companion. His father said, Johnnie, remember, in order to get  the new toys, much more toys than you have now, better toys, you have to give everything away, everything Johnnie. Johnnie answered back, no Daddy, not my little white rabbit, no, I can’t give him away".
     


    It is all about accepting God's Light, and how close people are to the Light. Some are going away from the Light and some are going toward the Light, yet they may be at the same point. In the "parable" of Johnnie and his rabbit, it is about receiving Sanctifying Grace and all its gifts. We simply do not receive any Sanctifying Grace if we hold on to our sins.

    In my experience, Catholic women who call themselves traditionalist and wear pants and defend the practice, are either going toward the light (in which case they will change over time), or are going away from the light, and will eventually partake in other errors of the world (allow their daughters to wear tight jeans, shorts, go on "dates" without supervision, allow them to go to live in universities, wear bikinis at the beach, "date" non-catholics / non- trads.......

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    « Reply #100 on: October 18, 2016, 04:59:12 PM »
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    Pax Vobis, in fact if you poled most men I think they would disagree with you.


    Most men aren't catholic and don't have well formed consciences.  When you compare 'wearing pants' to the normal, scandalous, provacative attire of the the world, sure, pants aren't THAT bad.  But, comparing a theft of a cookie to the theft of a car doesn't make stealing a cookie a good act.  Morals aren't based on comparison or societal norms; they are based on divine law and unchangeable human nature.

    If pants are SO acceptable, then why didn't women wear pants for the first 5,000 years of existence?  Is it a coincidence that it is ONLY during our 20 century, the most IMMORAL century in history, that women wearing pants is ok?


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    « Reply #101 on: October 18, 2016, 05:20:11 PM »
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    what makes trousers "men's apparel"? That they wore them first (in our culture anyway)? Not really objective, is it? What makes kilts "men's apparel"?
    Or cassocks?

    I think the key is that men and women should dress differently so as to proclaim the revealed truth from Genesis that "male and female created them," not "androgynous and egalitarian He created them."
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    « Reply #102 on: October 18, 2016, 06:05:07 PM »
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  • So they have to be Catholic to be scandalized by pants??

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    « Reply #103 on: October 18, 2016, 06:15:01 PM »
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    Pax Vobis, in fact if you poled most men I think they would disagree with you.


    Most men aren't catholic and don't have well formed consciences.  When you compare 'wearing pants' to the normal, scandalous, provacative attire of the the world, sure, pants aren't THAT bad.  But, comparing a theft of a cookie to the theft of a car doesn't make stealing a cookie a good act.  Morals aren't based on comparison or societal norms; they are based on divine law and unchangeable human nature.


    So men have to be Catholic to be scandalized by pants?

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    « Reply #104 on: October 18, 2016, 06:21:33 PM »
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    Pax Vobis, in fact if you poled most men I think they would disagree with you.


    Most men aren't catholic and don't have well formed consciences.  When you compare 'wearing pants' to the normal, scandalous, provacative attire of the the world, sure, pants aren't THAT bad.  But, comparing a theft of a cookie to the theft of a car doesn't make stealing a cookie a good act.  Morals aren't based on comparison or societal norms; they are based on divine law and unchangeable human nature.

    If pants are SO acceptable, then why didn't women wear pants for the first 5,000 years of existence?  Is it a coincidence that it is ONLY during our 20 century, the most IMMORAL century in history, that women wearing pants is ok?


    Men didn't wear pants either for most of that. Just sayin