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Traditional Catholic Faith => Catholic Living in the Modern World => Topic started by: Sir Percival on May 27, 2022, 07:54:00 PM
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50 bajillion dollar weddings, Freudian psychological compatibility tests, courting for 15 years to see if he/she is really the one, talking about every single topic to make sure we are really on the same page, meeting friends and family to see if I can get along with them, etc.
Who the fudge cookies cares? All of these things are done today and most marriages are failures and unhappy.
Where has gone the innocence of simply falling in love and getting on with life by getting married and starting a family?
Why all the need for this superfluous complexity that causes many young people to stay single for years on end and end up depressed and unfulfilled even if they do get married? It’s stupid and flamboyant.
”My son will only marry an educated girl who looks like celebrity X.”
Ma’am, your son is retarded.
“My daughter will only marry a doctor whose salary exceeds 300k a year.”
Sir, you might as well make sure that you keep your daughter’s room out of your plans for any future updates because she isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
It’s like some sort of Quantum Physics equation or something.
It’s not that difficult folks. People have been doing it easily and successfully for thousands of years with low divorce rates even outside of the Catholic sphere.
The angelic purity and innocence of women is gone and most dudes are just as messed up.
Man, modern culture really slapped the sense out of people. It’s like some sort of joke. All the while birth rates are in the garbage bin for everyone but blacks and Asians and divorce rates are up the wazoo.
/rant over. :popcorn:
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Maybe because people need to focus on God instead of the world.
Complexity is of the devil. Television, movies, music, cell phones, immodest fashion have been used to deceive many. Broken families are promoted and celebrated.
If people prayed and learned their faith, it would be much easier. They would have the tools to live a Catholic life.
The Church starts in the home with the family. God’s marriage is man and woman. The true gospel of Jesus Christ needs to be spread. Everyone can talk about sports and politics but not about Jesus.
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Pray: https://novenaprayer.com/saint-raphael-novena/
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I've noticed that there are a lot of people, especially women, in our time, who throw up every imaginable self-perceived obstacle to getting married, in essence, "talking themselves out of it". I have to suspect that a lot of them, either deep down or not so deep down, just don't want to get married, or have made up their minds that they will not marry unless they find someone with an impossible degree of perfection or conformity to their preconceived notions. Many women pride themselves on "not settling", which is fine, they're free agents, no one has to marry, lifelong singlehood is not terribly disliked in Catholic circles, but the sad part is that they reach a certain age, no children, never will be children, self-sufficient and independent, but at the same time lonely and looking down the barrel of an old age with few people who even care that they exist.
But on the other hand, if a woman peers into a potential future as a wife and mother, and is committed to the moral law of marriage, she might well make the entirely rational decision that unhampered fecundity, having more children than she cares to contemplate having to raise and be responsible for, just isn't for her. She doesn't want a life that's going to be that difficult. Again, that's fine, she's a free agent, if one doesn't have the temperament for it, then maybe it's not the best choice. Indeed, I have a pet theory that many women went into the convent in pre-Vatican II years because they didn't want to face the prospect of a difficult life, with many children, and a marriage that could just as easily be an unhappy one as a happy one, and saw consecration to the service of Our Lord as an attractive prospect. I can already hear the "Novus Ordo Puritan" types blubbering, "no, that can't be, a vocation has to be pure, a vocation has to be absolutely uninfluenced by any motives that are less than perfect", but that's just another manifestation of the extremism that often arises in the fever swamps of the more "conservative" parts of Newchurch. Our Lord can perfectly well make His Will for us, and His vocation, apparent through even the imperfect aspects of our temperament and circuмstances.
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Why is the Path to Marriage Made Difficult?
Because satan exists.
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I've noticed that there are a lot of people, especially women, in our time, who throw up every imaginable self-perceived obstacle to getting married, in essence, "talking themselves out of it". I have to suspect that a lot of them, either deep down or not so deep down, just don't want to get married, or have made up their minds that they will not marry unless they find someone with an impossible degree of perfection or conformity to their preconceived notions. Many women pride themselves on "not settling", which is fine, they're free agents, no one has to marry, lifelong singlehood is not terribly disliked in Catholic circles, but the sad part is that they reach a certain age, no children, never will be children, self-sufficient and independent, but at the same time lonely and looking down the barrel of an old age with few people who even care that they exist.
I suspect that for many women they watched their own parents separate and divorce.
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Staying single for reasons other than the consecrated life or religious service of some sort is gαy and unnatural. :popcorn:
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Staying single for reasons other than the consecrated life or religious service of some sort is gαy and unnatural. :popcorn:
I disagree. There could be those who stay celibate for noble reasons but at the same time don't feel suited to religious life.
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I disagree. There could be those who stay celibate for noble reasons but at the same time don't feel suited to religious life.
Curious; what other noble reasons? Career? Humanitarian work? Nahhh if those are what you had in mind.
“And the Lord God said: It is not good for man to be alone, let us make him a help like unto himself…And Adam said: This now is bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, because she was taken out of man. Wherefore a man shall leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they shall be two in one flesh…” :incense:
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I disagree. There could be those who stay celibate for noble reasons but at the same time don't feel suited to religious life.
I agree. There are people out there who choose the single life out of love for God because they actually feel called to live such a life, abstaining through their lifetime from the procreative act- but not because they don’t want the burden of a marriage and children. Besides, marriage is not for everyone but the celibate life is not for everyone either. Virginity is a noble thing, but not many recognize it; perhaps this is why young men and women are constantly asked by their elders to “go get married.” In fact, virginity is more pleasing to God and conductive to salvation. The first incorrupt saint discovered was the virgin, St. Cecilia.
I think the success of a happy marriage is a chaste courtship first. If someone feels called to marry, then they need to be chaste themselves, set boundaries, and pray to Our Lady. Many young Catholics make a big mistake and begin to sin mortally with each other. Pretty much after that, they “have” to get married. I have seen it happen.
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I agree. There are people out there who choose the single life out of love for God because they actually feel called to live such a life… Virginity is a noble thing, but not many recognize it...
These are for religious reasons though. Consecrated life, calling for service to God, etc. Being single is not natural in and of itself. It doesn’t make sense metaphysically or biologically. It’s an exception to the rule for a nobler reason; devotion to God. Otherwise, it’s an aberration.
The natural default for humanity is marriage. Virginity is only objectively superior when for a vocation dedicated to the Lord. :incense:
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These are for religious reasons though. Consecrated life, calling for service to God, etc. Being single is not natural in and of itself. It doesn’t make sense metaphysically or biologically. It’s an exception to the rule for a nobler reason; devotion to God. Otherwise, it’s an aberration.
The natural default for humanity is marriage. Virginity is only objectively superior when for a vocation dedicated to the Lord. :incense:
God has given every soul “a distinct vocation.” He did not put us on earth to do nothing, but to do the exact duty to which He has called us, whether it be the priesthood, religious life, marriage, and virginity. These are the four vocations, none of them can be excluded. It is important for each soul to listen to the “movements in their soul,” to what His Will is for them. As long as they are of proper age with a pure intention, then they may select the one most fitting and to which grace has pulled them directly. Sometimes it takes a great grace for one to even accept the vocation they feel called to because it requires sacrifice.
It has nothing to do with metaphysics or biology. God is the one Who calls. No one should be ashamed to live a virginal life…”If you have loved it, you will be favored by the Lord in all things.” And this is not even the Religious life…people are genuinely called to this single life in the world. Some do not even desire the pleasures of the flesh. I have met many selfless people who live this life and are truly happy in being alone with God. In the Council of Trent, you will find: “If anyone saith that the marriage state is to be preferred before the state of virginity, or celibacy, and that it is not better and and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony, let him be anathema.”
All vocations are actually holy!
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God has given every soul “a distinct vocation.” He did not put us on earth to do nothing, but to do the exact duty to which He has called us, whether it be the priesthood, religious life, marriage, and virginity. These are the four vocations, none of them can be excluded. It is important for each soul to listen to the “movements in their soul,” to what His Will is for them. As long as they are of proper age with a pure intention, then they may select the one most fitting and to which grace has pulled them directly. Sometimes it takes a great grace for one to even accept the vocation they feel called to because it requires sacrifice.
It has nothing to do with metaphysics or biology. God is the one Who calls. No one should be ashamed to live a virginal life…”If you have loved it, you will be favored by the Lord in all things.” And this is not even the Religious life…people are genuinely called to this single life in the world. Some do not even desire the pleasures of the flesh. I have met many selfless people who live this life and are truly happy in being alone with God. In the Council of Trent, you will find: “If anyone saith that the marriage state is to be preferred before the state of virginity, or celibacy, and that it is not better and and more blessed to remain in virginity, or in celibacy, than to be united in matrimony, let him be anathema.”
All vocations are actually holy!
Bro, we are talking past each other here. :laugh1:
No one is disputing that there are specific vocations appropriate for different people.
However, there is no vocation for singleness and virginity because of muh career purely considered, muh research, muh enjoying travel and playing video games and spending time with friendzzzz cuz family life is 2 tuff 4 me, etc. You get the pic.
Virginity is superior to the married life, objectively, when for religious service. Otherwise, it’s not.
A dude who sucks at talking with women is not living a “superior” state of life to a person who married in holiness to please God or a woman who is ugly who just happens to be celibate and a virgin is not superior to a woman who is married to please God. ::)
Singleness without a religious reason or for service to God in some way as a primary factor is insanity. It’s sick and unnatural. It has everything to do with both metaphysics and Biology. It doesn’t make sense unless the person is psychologically or physically abnormal.
As for the Canon of Trent, it has to be contextualized in the teaching of the Church. You & I and whoever don’t interpret it willy nilly bruh. Pope Pius IV’s Bull Benedictus Deus (26 January 1564):
‘latae sententiae (automatic) excommunication on anyone who, without the approval of the Holy See, presumes “to publish in any form any commentaries, glosses, annotations, scholia on, or any kind of interpretation whatsoever of the decrees of this council.” The reason for this prohibition, the Bull stated, was to avoid the “perversion and confusion” arising from private commentaries on and interpretations of the Tridentine decrees.’
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Bro, we are talking past each other here. :laugh1:
No one is disputing that there are specific vocations appropriate for different people.
However, there is no vocation for singleness and virginity because of muh career purely considered, muh research, muh enjoying travel and playing video games and spending time with friendzzzz cuz family life is 2 tuff 4 me, etc. You get the pic.
Virginity is superior to the married life, objectively, when for religious service. Otherwise, it’s not.
A dude who sucks at talking with women is not living a “superior” state of life to a person who married in holiness to please God or a woman who is ugly who just happens to be celibate and a virgin is not superior to a woman who is married to please God. ::)
Singleness without a religious reason or for service to God in some way as a primary factor is insanity. It’s sick and unnatural. It has everything to do with both metaphysics and Biology. It doesn’t make sense unless the person is psychologically or physically abnormal.
As for the Canon of Trent, it has to be contextualized in the teaching of the Church. You & I and whoever don’t interpret it willy nilly bruh. Pope Pius IV’s Bull Benedictus Deus (26 January 1564):
‘latae sententiae (automatic) excommunication on anyone who, without the approval of the Holy See, presumes “to publish in any form any commentaries, glosses, annotations, scholia on, or any kind of interpretation whatsoever of the decrees of this council.” The reason for this prohibition, the Bull stated, was to avoid the “perversion and confusion” arising from private commentaries on and interpretations of the Tridentine decrees.’
What it looks like to me is this kind of subject is too immature for you. You are saying “bro” and “bruh.” As members on this forum, everyone should have a say in the discussions- and I mean those that have the knowledge and the resources to help others. Virginity is actually a vocation as all the other three are. You must have something against the life of continence if you cannot accept its very existence.
Do not make a thread if you cannot handle what others say, when you expected an answer to your question. I actually do say all of this in charity.
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What it looks like to me is this kind of subject is too immature for you. You are saying “bro” and “bruh.” As members on this forum, everyone should have a say in the discussions- and I mean those that have the knowledge and the resources to help others. Virginity is actually a vocation as all the other three are. You must have something against the life of continence if you cannot accept its very existence.
Do not make a thread if you cannot handle what others say, when you expected an answer to your question. I actually do say all of this in charity.
Yup. Too immature by writing sarcastic remarks. :clown:
Yup. Can’t accept continence’s very existence after stating three times that it’s superior to married life when in the service of God. ::)
Yup. Can’t accept other points of views by engaging them and not complaining about it. :laugh1:
Yup. Can’t handle what others say while getting thumbed down every other post. :laugh2:
Thank you for your charity. :fryingpan:
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Curious; what other noble reasons? Career? Humanitarian work? Nahhh if those are what you had in mind.
Uhm, no ... wanting to be dedicated completely to Our Lord, i.e. the proper motive for wishing to remain a virgin. That doesn't necessarily mean that someone is suited for consecrated religious life.
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However, there is no vocation for singleness and virginity because of muh career purely considered, muh research, muh enjoying travel and playing video games and spending time with friendzzzz cuz family life is 2 tuff 4 me, etc. You get the pic.
Virginity is superior to the married life, objectively, when for religious service. Otherwise, it’s not.
You're putting words in my mouth. I never said it was admirable when done for nonn-religious reasons.
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What it looks like to me is this kind of subject is too immature for you. You are saying “bro” and “bruh.”
Yeah, it's probably Croix again.
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... it’s superior to married life when in the service of God. ::)
My point is that you don't have to be a formal or consecrated religious to dedicate yourself this way for the service of God.
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St. Monica, pray for us!! :pray::pray:
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Pray: https://novenaprayer.com/saint-raphael-novena/
Interesting that you posted this. I did not pray the novena, but I do believe that St Raphael had a hand in my finding my husband.
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50 bajillion dollar weddings, Freudian psychological compatibility tests, courting for 15 years to see if he/she is really the one, talking about every single topic to make sure we are really on the same page, meeting friends and family to see if I can get along with them, etc.
Who the fudge cookies cares? All of these things are done today and most marriages are failures and unhappy.
Where has gone the innocence of simply falling in love and getting on with life by getting married and starting a family?
Why all the need for this superfluous complexity that causes many young people to stay single for years on end and end up depressed and unfulfilled even if they do get married? It’s stupid and flamboyant.
”My son will only marry an educated girl who looks like celebrity X.”
Ma’am, your son is retarded.
“My daughter will only marry a doctor whose salary exceeds 300k a year.”
Sir, you might as well make sure that you keep your daughter’s room out of your plans for any future updates because she isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
It’s like some sort of Quantum Physics equation or something.
It’s not that difficult folks. People have been doing it easily and successfully for thousands of years with low divorce rates even outside of the Catholic sphere.
The angelic purity and innocence of women is gone and most dudes are just as messed up.
Man, modern culture really slapped the sense out of people. It’s like some sort of joke. All the while birth rates are in the garbage bin for everyone but blacks and Asians and divorce rates are up the wazoo.
/rant over. :popcorn:
Nothing worth having is going to be easy for you.
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Yeah, it's probably Croix again.
"Bruh" and quoting Trent in the same comment. Probably!
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Yeah, it's probably Croix again.
This guy actually reminds me more of the "traddies" on Gab or Twitter. I'm not getting Croix vibes here.
Also, Alex Jones is CIA and Nick Fuentes is a fαɢɢօt.
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Singleness without a religious reason or for service to God in some way as a primary factor is insanity. It’s sick and unnatural. It has everything to do with both metaphysics and Biology. It doesn’t make sense unless the person is psychologically or physically abnormal.
Wow, we got a live one! :laugh1:
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50 bajillion dollar weddings, Freudian psychological compatibility tests, courting for 15 years to see if he/she is really the one, talking about every single topic to make sure we are really on the same page, meeting friends and family to see if I can get along with them, etc.
Who the fudge cookies cares? All of these things are done today and most marriages are failures and unhappy.
Where has gone the innocence of simply falling in love and getting on with life by getting married and starting a family?
Why all the need for this superfluous complexity that causes many young people to stay single for years on end and end up depressed and unfulfilled even if they do get married? It’s stupid and flamboyant. ????
”My son will only marry an educated girl who looks like celebrity X.”
Ma’am, your son is retarded.
“My daughter will only marry a doctor whose salary exceeds 300k a year.”
Sir, you might as well make sure that you keep your daughter’s room out of your plans for any future updates because she isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.
It’s like some sort of Quantum Physics equation or something.
It’s not that difficult folks. People have been doing it easily and successfully for thousands of years with low divorce rates even outside of the Catholic sphere.
I think you have a distorted image of the past
The angelic purity and innocence of many women is gone and most dudes are just as messed up.
Man, modern culture really slapped the sense out of people. It’s like some sort of joke. All the while birth rates are in the garbage bin for everyone but blacks and Asians and divorce rates are up the wazoo.
/rant over. :popcorn:
The underlined in the first paragraph are both essential.
It never was and never will be HAPPY EVER AFTER.
What have you to offer and how are you going to improve your chances?