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Author Topic: Why don't modern wives desire to be completely dependent on their husbands?  (Read 9133 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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    But who does the woman submit to when her husband says go to an una cuм Mass and her confessor says do not.  (hypothetical situation, not mine) 
    Modernist women often appeal to priests, in order to not obey their husbands.  An "una cuм" mass is not a sinful situation; women should obey their husbands.

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  • I think it’s  fear that ultimately the husband will leave them in a lurch with nothing. Happens all the time. Complete trust can only happen through complete trust in Christ and not necessarily each other although that trust usually follows. . I know that sounds cold but this is the state of the Church and the world.


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  • Many women who stay home are belittled by other women who work outside the home. 

    I’m sick and tired of single moms.  The thing is that these toxic feminists are miserable and misery likes company. Many of these women cheated on their husbands and neglect their children because they have failed to grow up.  Many are actually jealous of women who are trying to live a decent life.  

    Many feminists can’t even take care of themselves.  They walk around half naked.  They make porn and have no class.  Their children are being raised by government schools or really bad novus Ordo schools. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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  • Modernist women often appeal to priests, in order to not obey their husbands.  An "una cuм" mass is not a sinful situation; women should obey their husbands.
    But now what if it is a novus ordo vs sspx.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    But now what if it is a novus ordo vs sspx.
    You have yet to admit that feminism is a problem.  Or that women can sin.  There's always a comeback.  :facepalm:


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  • You have yet to admit that feminism is a problem.  Or that women can sin.  There's always a comeback.  :facepalm:
    I never said women couldn't sin.  You read between the lines a lot.

    The problem is bigger than just feminism.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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    The problem is bigger than just feminism.
    You keep apologizing for feminists and blaming others.

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  • You keep apologizing for feminists and blaming others.
    I don't apologize for others.

    I blame both men and women for today's modernism.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine


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  • We’re not talking about modernism but feminism.  Again, you can’t even blame bad women for bad behavior.  Unbelievable.

    Feminism is anti-catholic.  It’s a WOMAN problem not a man problem.  If you can’t condemn feminism, then you’re simply a “catholic”feminist.  

    Offline Michelle

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  • I'm not a wife, obviously, but I doubt that it's all that complicated, Geremia. Besides the culture and educational system teaching feminist ideals, their trust has been violated at some point. Whether that has been an absent or incompetent father, and/or some other less than edifying experiences with men, possibly including their husband.

    As trads we should understand this phenomenon very, very well; after being lied to and misled by the men who are supposed to be our shepherds, how many of us give our full trust to even a good trad Priest, even if we so desire? When authority has been abused, it's a bit ridiculous to blame the sheep for being skittish.
    I completely agree with this statement.^^

    Personally growing up outside of the church,  there was not one respectable man in my life.  Drugs, alcohol, porn.  My mom was the strong responsible parent. She worked and sacrificed while we witnessed her being physically and emotionally abused.  

    Where are all the respectable, responsible and mature Catholic men willing to lay down their life for their wife?  I think women really want to follow and be submissive to a man who is kind, loving, and strong in his faith.

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  • Just my observation, it’s the woman who gets the divorce, to make it official. It’s the man who fools around, neglects his duties, doesn’t lead his wife and children, who abandons them without legal recourse.  Abandonment is a reason for divorce, but it takes awhile to find a lawyer, file the right papers, get the process server, etc.  Many women hang on until it actually comes to divorce in hopes he may change.  Of course, his wife may have driven him away by selfishness, nagging, not keeping up with the Joneses.  
    Too often, men abandon their wives and children and run off to a place where the law can’t find him, or can’t be bothered to find and extradite him.  
    This happens in the world more often than in traditional Catholic circles, but it DOES happen.  If a woman was raised in a home where the father was guilty of abuse of all sorts, it’s going to be very difficult for a woman to trust a man, even a good one.
    If a man is raised to be a mama’s boy, what sort of leader and provider will he make for his wife and children?  Sometimes what looks like feminism is actually necessity.  It’s not that the man is a cheater or abusive, it’s just that he doesn’t do anything.  A woman can be driven to act like a feminist by her husband’s sins of omission.
    There are sides to every coin.




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  • We’re not talking about modernism but feminism.  Again, you can’t even blame bad women for bad behavior.  Unbelievable.

    Feminism is anti-catholic.  It’s a WOMAN problem not a man problem.  If you can’t condemn feminism, then you’re simply a “catholic”feminist. 
    I believe feminism is anti-catholic.

    How often in history did woman take over?  Why do you think it happened at the same time the Catholic Church was entering Vatican 2?

    Without modernism, would we have feminism?  Which came first?

    Serious questions.

    I am sorry I got off tract, but, Pax, you started it by calling me a feminist.
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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  • More feminist logic.  Someone did something bad to me, therefore I can do bad.  :facepalm:

    You all have free will to choose good, even in the face of evil, laziness or bad parents.  God also gives you grace to choose good and won’t permit you to be tempted beyond your strength. 

    But feminism preaches that it’s always someone else’s fault.  This thread proves that in spades.  A shame.

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  • More feminist logic.  Someone did something bad to me, therefore I can do bad.  :facepalm:

    You all have free will to choose good, even in the face of evil, laziness or bad parents.  God also gives you grace to choose good and won’t permit you to be tempted beyond your strength. 

    But feminism preaches that it’s always someone else’s fault.  This thread proves that in spades.  A shame.
    :facepalm:
    Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine

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  •  If a man is raised to be a mama’s boy, what sort of leader and provider will he make for his wife and children?  Sometimes what looks like feminism is actually necessity.  It’s not that the man is a cheater or abusive, it’s just that he doesn’t do anything.  A woman can be driven to act like a feminist by her husband’s sins of omission.
    There are sides to every coin.
    THIS ^^^
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

    http://whoshallfindavaliantwoman.blogspot.com/