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Why do some boys want to be girls?
« on: May 03, 2016, 11:52:48 AM »
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    I keep reading of these little boys who reckon they want to be girls, and whose parents "support" them; and I'm wondering, when did this start? The phenomenon of the tomboy is familiar, girls wanting to be boys. I was one. But boys wanting to be girls?
    Might the Pill getting into the water have something to do with it?

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    Why do some boys want to be girls?
    « Reply #1 on: May 03, 2016, 11:55:39 AM »
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  • It is interesting, because society doesn't frown on tomboys nearly as much as it frowns on males acting female.

    Perhaps it's because, objectively speaking, those tomboys are "stepping up" whereas sissy boys are "stepping down"?

    I know that's not going to make me any friends among the womenfolk here, but I have St. Thomas Aquinas on my side. He said that if it weren't for reproduction/procreation, Adam would have been better served by having another MAN created for him. In other words, the only attribute that makes women "special", superior, or necessary is that they can bear children. End of list. That's what he said!
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    Why do some boys want to be girls?
    « Reply #2 on: May 03, 2016, 12:00:50 PM »
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    It is interesting, because society doesn't frown on tomboys nearly as much as it frowns on males acting female.

    Perhaps it's because, objectively speaking, those tomboys are "stepping up" whereas sissy boys are "stepping down"?

    I know that's not going to make me any friends among the womenfolk here, but I have St. Thomas Aquinas on my side. He said that if it weren't for reproduction/procreation, Adam would have been better served by having another MAN created for him. In other words, the only attribute that makes women "special", superior, or necessary is that they can bear children. End of list. That's what he said!


    I don't understand.  So women are just for procreation?   What about companionship?

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    « Reply #3 on: May 03, 2016, 12:43:19 PM »
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    It is interesting, because society doesn't frown on tomboys nearly as much as it frowns on males acting female.

    Perhaps it's because, objectively speaking, those tomboys are "stepping up" whereas sissy boys are "stepping down"?

    I know that's not going to make me any friends among the womenfolk here, but I have St. Thomas Aquinas on my side. He said that if it weren't for reproduction/procreation, Adam would have been better served by having another MAN created for him. In other words, the only attribute that makes women "special", superior, or necessary is that they can bear children. End of list. That's what he said!


    This runs contrary to the higher dignity of virgins. If women are exclusively necessary for the bearing of children, then why the Church has elevated women, who have not been mothers, to sainthood? I am not sure what you are saying, Matthew. If for any reason, a woman is not a mother, then what she is?

    According to St. Paul, the state of virginity (or celibacy) is preferable to the married state. Virgins are therefore necessary and precious treasures of the Church. Motherhood is a vocation. Not all women have the vocation for motherhood. There are many women, who in fact, should NOT become mothers. They do evil to society by becoming one.

    The idea that women are only necessary, as you say, for the bearing of children was adopted by Calvin and became great part of the Protestant revolt. They did this, in order to demolish the Roman Catholic veneration of Our Lady and other Catholic women saints. The Catholic Church recognizes that both male and female are created in the image of God and are in equal dignity before God.

    To see a girl's body as EXCLUSIVELY necessary for the bearing of children, even against her wishes or her vocation in life is not Catholic, but protestant in nature.


    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 03, 2016, 01:30:47 PM »
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    There are many women, who in fact, should NOT become mothers. They do evil to society by becoming one.


    Cantarella, thank you.  I have thought that for years and, outside of my husband, have said it to no one for fear of the knee-jerk reaction such a statement would elicit.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 03, 2016, 01:36:05 PM »
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  • In several passages in the Summa Theologiae and elsewhere, Thomas Aquinas asserts that the inferiority of women lies not just in bodily strength but in force of intellect. To top this off, he maintains that feminine intellectual inferiority actually contributes to the order and beauty of the universe. But he also affirms that in Heaven there are and will be women who occupy higher places than men. What can we make of this apparent inconsistency? Is he simply hedging on his seemingly chauvinistic positions to accommodate Mary, Queen of Heaven? Or do his views on women make sense only as part of his comprehensive view of the universe?

    To begin to understand his position, we must ask why Aquinas thinks women intellectually inferior in the first place. Scripture is likely his first guide. St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 11:10 that “man was not created for the sake of woman, but woman was created for the sake of man.” This passage echoes Genesis 2:18,19: “It is not good that the man should be alone. I will give him a helpmate.” Aquinas reasons from these scriptural passages that when one thing exists for the sake of another, it is inferior to that other. Other passages indicate more clearly that the intelligence is the seat of woman’s divinely ordained inferiority. When in 1 Corinthians 11:3 St. Paul says that “man is the head of woman,” and in Ephesians 5:22 that “a husband is the head of his wife,” Aquinas takes it as evident that if men are meant to rule, it can only be by virtue of intellectual superiority.

    Aquinas’ views on female inferiority were doubtless influenced as well by Aristotle’s reproductive biology, with its understanding of the relation between male and female as one of active (perfect) principle to passive (imperfect) principle. Aristotle saw the sperm as the formative agent; the mother simply supplied raw material to be incorporated into the developing child. He also thought the sperm was directed to producing only male offspring, and that when this did not result it was because something interfered with the active principle within the sperm.

    Finally, however, Aquinas does not believe it matters very much whether the particular causes involved in reproduction are to be regarded as failing or not failing when women are engendered. God desires that women be part of the universe, and He orders nature in such a way as to insure that they are produced. (On the question of Aquinas’ biology, see Michael Nolan, “What Aquinas Never Said About Women,” FT, November 1998.)

    In addition to the testimony of Scripture and biology, Aquinas probably took female intellectual inferiority to be plain enough from experience. He points out, for example, that shysters prey on widows in preference to men because “men are wiser and more discerning, and not so quickly taken in.” He encourages widows to turn to prayer in their desolation, lest woman’s “softness of soul” lead them to pamper themselves, an occasion of serious sin. He also notes the difficulty women have in sticking to their decisions, and how quickly they can change their minds out of desire, anger, or fear.

    Aquinas does not mean, however, that all women or only women are prone to these vices; he acknowledges that there are women outstanding in self-control and men who lack it. He also points out that being less intelligent, and thus less educable, can sometimes prove advantageous from a moral and spiritual point of view. Devoutness is frequently found more often in women and simple, uneducated men because their lack of learning makes it easier for them to trust in God wholeheartedly, rather than in themselves.

    But we cannot fairly address the question of woman’s intelligence without considering Aquinas’ general views on the perfection of the universe and on woman’s place in it. Following Aristotle, Aquinas argues that “perfection” can mean two different things: first, that a being has all the parts and powers it ought to have; and second, that its parts and powers are greater than those of another being. A plant that has all the attributes and abilities it ought to have (e.g., to grow, to reproduce) is a perfect plant, but compared to a dog, which not only grows and reproduces but also sees and moves about, it is a less perfect being. In the same way, the general intellectual inferiority of women does not make them defective or inferior simply speaking, but only in the particular natural order, in comparison to most males and to beings with a more perfect nature—namely, the angels.

    Far from denigrating women because of their intellectual imperfection, Aquinas sees it—and all imperfection—as an instance of divine wisdom:

     God, through His providence, orders all things to divine goodness as to an end; not however in such a manner that His goodness increases through those things which come to be, but so that a likeness of His goodness is imprinted in things insofar as it is possible, for indeed it is necessary that every created substance fall short of divine goodness, so that in order for divine goodness to be communicated to things more perfectly, it was necessary for there to be diversity in things, so that what is not able to be perfectly represented by some one [thing] is represented in a more perfect manner through diverse things in diverse ways. (Summa Contra Gentiles, III, 97)
    Those who fail to see the goodness of relative imperfection often do so because they focus on the parts of the universe and overlook that it is the universe as a whole that best reflects God. Aquinas argues that without imperfection there would be no diversity, and without diversity the universe would not represent God in the best possible way. Arthur Lovejoy misses the mark in The Great Chain of Being when he criticizes Aquinas as saying that it would be better to have a work of pulp fiction and a copy of Virgil than two copies of Virgil. Aquinas would respond that God does create things that are less perfect than others, but not things that are lacking in those qualities or virtues they ought to have. Everything that God makes is good. Diversity does not imply defect or sin on the part of anyone; on the contrary, the relative imperfections of things are desired by God: “The cause of this disparity could be from the part of God, certainly not that He was punishing certain individuals and rewarding others; but that He would raise some up more, and others less, so that the beauty of order would more shine forth in humankind.”

    When it comes to perfection in the sense of attaining one’s ultimate end, beatitude, superiorities in the natural order are no longer the determining factor. The rank of a rational creature in the order of glory is determined by God’s love for that individual, a love that is dictated not by the natural perfection of the individual but by God’s good pleasure. The better rational creature is better primarily because God loves it more, but secondarily because the creature, in free response to God’s love, loves God in return more than others do.

    Just as some human beings will surpass certain angels in glory despite the inferiority of human nature to angelic nature, so too some women will achieve greater glory than some men despite their inferiority as to intelligence.

     In the first state of mankind the body was subject to the soul and nothing could happen in the body which would be contrary to the good of the soul, neither as to its being nor as to its operation; nor is this precluded by the fact that even then there was a diverse dignity of souls according to the diversity of bodies, since it is necessary for the soul to be proportioned to the body, as form to matter, and as mover to moved: and therefore woman, even as to her soul, was more imperfect than man. In the ultimate state, however, such is the subjection [of body to soul] that the quality of body follows the virtue of the mind; whence according to the diversity of merits one soul will be more worthy than another soul, and the body more glorious; whence there will not be a difference on account of diverse sex. (Scriptum super Sententiis, II, 21, question 2, article 2)
    The Blessed Virgin Mary is of course for Aquinas the most unambiguous example of a woman who excels in glory not only all men but all angels, not by virtue of her nature, but on account of grace. The women who stood at the foot of the cross and those who went to Christ’s tomb on Easter morning are also likely to occupy higher ranks in Heaven than most men. Aquinas does not hesitate to commend these women for their outstanding love and devotion.

    Regardless of whether we agree with Aquinas’ position on woman’s intelligence, there is at least one important thing we can learn from him about relative inferiorities—we should love our own. God wants inequalities in rational beings, and if we love God we should conform our will to His. It is pride, the excessive desire of our own excellence, that tends to make us sad when another has some perfection or grace we do not have. To sorrow at the good is intrinsically evil. In our discussions of the differences between the sexes, we must avoid yielding to impulses of envy, but strive rather to love whatever littleness we may have due to our sex, as God loves it.
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    Why do some boys want to be girls?
    « Reply #6 on: May 03, 2016, 01:52:31 PM »
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    I keep reading of these little boys who reckon they want to be girls, and whose parents "support" them; and I'm wondering, when did this start? The phenomenon of the tomboy is familiar, girls wanting to be boys. I was one. But boys wanting to be girls?
    Might the Pill getting into the water have something to do with it?



    I think little boys would like to be girls because they watch television, pay attention at school, observe people when they are out in public, and in many cases are learning the lessons their parents teach them.

    Girls are exalted in society for their sexiness and promiscuity while boys are condemned and spat upon.  Girls can do anything!  Boys are idiots.  When a girl does something--anything--everyone tells them how wonderful they are and how amazing are their talents.  When a boy does something he might be congratulated but won't see anything like the praises a girl would have gotten.  Girls are taught that they control their own bodies.  Boys are taught that they must bow to whatever the girls want.


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    « Reply #7 on: May 03, 2016, 02:11:52 PM »
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  • Female intellectual inferiority (as expressed by St. Thomas) has nothing to do with this statement which is the one I am responding to:

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    In other words, the only attribute that makes women "special", superior, or necessary is that they can bear children. End of list.


    The fact that God does not wish that ALL women become mothers is evidenced by the existence of women's religious orders and the dignity of virgins highly exalted by the Church.

    Taking this statement literally would mean that the existence of women religious and virgins in the single state of life have absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

    Motherhood is a sacred calling, no doubt; but it is a vocation. Not all women should become mothers. God has made women necessary for other purposes besides the bearing of children as evidenced by the existence of women's religious and virgins, some who have been elevated to sainthood.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 02:24:45 AM »
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  • Satan has set up different demons for different sins and different temptations. To some he gives one responsability and to another he gives another responsability. This is why a Catholic understanding and appretiation of the virtue of Chastity is so important.
     

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    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 03:15:50 AM »
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    I keep reading of these little boys who reckon they want to be girls, and whose parents "support" them; and I'm wondering, when did this start? The phenomenon of the tomboy is familiar, girls wanting to be boys. I was one. But boys wanting to be girls?
    Might the Pill getting into the water have something to do with it?



    I think little boys would like to be girls because they watch television, pay attention at school, observe people when they are out in public, and in many cases are learning the lessons their parents teach them.

    Girls are exalted in society for their sexiness and promiscuity while boys are condemned and spat upon.  Girls can do anything!  Boys are idiots.  When a girl does something--anything--everyone tells them how wonderful they are and how amazing are their talents.  When a boy does something he might be congratulated but won't see anything like the praises a girl would have gotten.  Girls are taught that they control their own bodies.  Boys are taught that they must bow to whatever the girls want.



    Great points.  The Jєωtube has been neutering little boys all the way back to the days of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 04, 2016, 04:05:49 AM »
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  • There's one major reason why boys want to be girls in this day and age: girls are the undisputed privileged class! Boys are the hyperactive, overly aggressive, violent, vestigial limb of an ever-evolving evolutionary process which in time will yield a satanic super-race of androgynous sex-worshippers. In the meantime, males of all ages can make a shortcut and be coddled transgendered eunuchs for the rest of their useless God-forsaken lives.

    That being said...

    I think it's a big mistake to try to take women to the opposite extreme where females are only good for one thing. First of all, let us remember that there is no creature on Earth or in Heaven that exceeds the splendor of Our Most Blessed Virgin Mother! Now for a moment, let us consider all the female virgin saints, then the repentant sinner saints like Mary Magdalene, whose love for Christ was so great that she was the first to see Him resurrected and who went on to help found the first Catholic community in ancient Gaul/France.

    If men were made to be strong, it was to protect our women and our children. If women were made to be beautiful to men, it was to elicit that very natural and dare I say, very good response when done within the blessings of the Church. Outside of marriage, feminine beauty, sweetness, and gentleness have great potential to elicit supernatural graces in all of us when they lead holy lives. For men in particular, we can look upon them as little Marys, potential spiritual mothers or spiritual daughters on Earth. Let the urge to cherish and protect them carry over to the Church itself and in that way be a mirror of Christ's own love for His chosen ones.

    Maybe we can come off too harshly sometimes because we're so used to dealing with women who recklessly misuse the natural powers given to them but the truth is we cannot make due without good women on our side. Let all feminine graces be mere symbols of the spiritual and may those supernatural graces in turn, be offered up to God, and spur holy men on toward the defense of our Holy Mother Church!

     
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    « Reply #11 on: May 10, 2016, 09:06:42 AM »
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  • Boys want to be girls these days because our culture glorifies little girls, especially masculine little girls.  Ever watch a bunch of 10 year old girls play soccer?  It is truly brutal.

    Boys' natural inclinations are now considered dangerous and outdated.  

    Social workers rule the culture and 95% of Social Workers are women.  

    FWIW, all children at about age 3 want to be the opposite sex.  I remember my boys saying they wished they were girls and my girls wondering why they couldn't be boys.  It's a normal thing really, because it is about that age, developmentally, that children begin to recognize that there are real differences between boys and girls.  The question is easily dealt with, but today's parents make such big deals out of everything.  All a parent has to say is "God made you a boy/girl, honey.  And we can't change that."  After about 3 or 4 weeks, they realize that they aren't going to wake up missing their private parts or with different private parts (because that's what it is for them.)  And then they are fine.

    Parents make big deals out of everything now.  Instead if they just didn't humor their kids every whim, then these ideas would pass.

    Also, once upon a time little boys didn't like it when other little boys were sissies.  They tried to "toughen" them up.  These things today are considered bullying and are discouraged.


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    « Reply #12 on: May 10, 2016, 09:57:12 AM »
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  • I am actually really impressed with the material that Matthew posted.

    I think some on this thread are misunderstanding, though.

    This is a topic centered on nature, not grace. When talking about Man and Woman's natural perfections and the scope of those perfections, grace and religious vocations are quite irrelevant.

    The nature of man always provides for fatherhood, just like the nature of woman always provides for motherhood, in every instance.

    But celibate states, such as the priesthood, and the second order of religious do not come from nature, but supernature, as they are a part of God's redemption and justification of Man through the divinely revealed, sacrificial religion that is catholicism.


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    « Reply #13 on: May 10, 2016, 05:16:30 PM »
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  • Pill in the water. Hm?  Hormones are to be considered.  And children's vaccinations I would also consider, when there is damage to the brain. A more serious side to this topic.

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  • Here's the topic title of an email I just received from one of my State's homeschool associations:

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    Scholarship Opportunity for Graduating Girls in Westfield-Washington Township


    Ever seen a similar headline about an opportunity for graduating boys?  I didn't think so.