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Why do so Many People Assume us Catholics Will go to Hell?
« on: February 26, 2014, 06:20:30 PM »
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  • Each day I continue to work out my salvation with fear and trembling and I keep meeting new people at work who assume I am going to hell for trying to be obedient to God. They claim I do not have a relationship with God and Jesus even though I so easily prove top them being a Catholic in the state of grace is the only way to get to heaven. They are unable to debate theology and history and yet they still claim I am going to hell. Why is this. I even had one temp in the past week say to me, “To much knowledge is a dangerous thing”. I was also called arrogant and told I need to just believe in God.

    Why do so many people say they believe in God and Jesus and yet claim those of us Catholics who choose to be obedient to God will go to hell?
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    Why do so Many People Assume us Catholics Will go to Hell?
    « Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 06:23:22 PM »
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  • I think it is good and healthy for everyone to believe that everyone in a different religion is going to hell. Of course, only Catholics are right, but if you didn't believe that people of other religions will be damned then there is no point of believing in your religion.
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    Why do so Many People Assume us Catholics Will go to Hell?
    « Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 06:23:50 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    They're parroting what they've heard all their Protestant lives.  Words won't reach them, only prayer and penance.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    Why do so Many People Assume us Catholics Will go to Hell?
    « Reply #3 on: February 26, 2014, 06:30:42 PM »
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    They're parroting what they've heard all their Protestant lives.  Words won't reach them, only prayer and penance.


    What I am finding very scary about attitudes from many Protestants, They know about the antichrist, yet, each day they more closely align with the antichrist and beliefs of freemasonry.

    The temp at work claimed Catholicism is bad and freemasonry is good.
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    « Reply #4 on: February 26, 2014, 06:33:29 PM »
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    What I am finding very scary about attitudes from many Protestants, They know about the antichrist, yet, each day they more closely align with the antichrist and beliefs of freemasonry.


    What do you expect? They are protestants. Perfidious enemies of the Church and children of the devil.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 26, 2014, 06:41:17 PM »
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    What I am finding very scary about attitudes from many Protestants, They know about the antichrist, yet, each day they more closely align with the antichrist and beliefs of freemasonry.


    What do you expect? They are protestants. Perfidious enemies of the Church and children of the devil.


    It would be nice if they would admit to me their true intentions instead of claiming to love God.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 26, 2014, 06:50:08 PM »
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  • Most people  I have had discussions with, who hate the Catholic Church, when I get them in a Theological trap, I ask them, "If you found out I was right, would you become a Traditional Catholic to save your soul to avoid eternal hell-fire?", most very quickly reply "NO!".
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    « Reply #7 on: February 26, 2014, 07:45:21 PM »
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  • When I worked in a very protestant environment, I encountered the same hostility and immense ignorance, but their idea of Catholicism is what is promoted by the novus ordo and carried by the mainstream media - hardly Catholic.  
    In the end, as Matto said, they are enemies of the Church.  Continue to set a good example and pray for their souls.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 26, 2014, 07:45:36 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    There is your answer.  They don't want the truth, having already confabulated their own and chosen it.  The material heretics at my workplace are much nicer, more fair-minded, true liberals although most would vehemently deny it.  It sounds as if you have the misfortune to live/work amongst fundamentalist Baptists and snake handlers.  
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    « Reply #9 on: February 26, 2014, 08:58:23 PM »
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  • I have the same problem with my family.
    I just tell them "I guess I'll see you there, since you're the judge and everything."
     They usually shut up about it after that.

    Simple minds call for simple retorts.
    Matthew 6:34
    " Be not therefore solicitous for to morrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof."

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    Why do so Many People Assume us Catholics Will go to Hell?
    « Reply #10 on: February 26, 2014, 10:59:04 PM »
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  • Sadly, I've found that what we find important, like worshiping Our Lord, honoring the Holy Mother, honoring those who've set a good example before us (our cloud of witnesses), believing in prayer for "the dead" (who, even by their edited Catholic Scriptures are in fact not "dead", as God is not God of the dead but of the living) — the very most basic tenets of the Holy Faith — is in fact what turns off most Protestants from the One and Only Faith.

    They can clamor and whine about statue worship all they want (they have uninspired "pictures" of Jesus "hanging out" with cartoon kids, or featured in black velvet hanging in their living rooms, or on their t-shirts) — it's not "image worship", or that we "buy our way into Heaven", and all their other excuses they say that makes them think we're going to Hell. Mostly, what truly turns them off is the actual Faith. The cross with a corpus on it disgusts them (which is why I wear at least a crucifix always).

    I hate to say it, but they don't read the edited Catholic Scriptures that they thump. (Or they cherry pick.) They thump, but where is their priest to whom they confess? Where is that priest's holy oil for healing? Where are their entreaties for intervention for their dearly departed brethren (even the Anglicans had that at one point)? They respond to John 6 just as +Jesus prophesied that unbelievers would (that it's "gross", silly, or worse). So what kind of excuse will they have on that day of their Judgement, when they claim to believe their edited Catholic Scriptures, but don't even know, much less follow, their edited Scriptures? (Much less would they have a priest to answer for them, as mentioned in St. Paul's epistle to the Hebrews!)

    I find it very distressing. I don't argue with them, but I say something and move on (I'm a real "dust off the feet" sort): "Here's YOUR edited Catholic Scriptures: why doesn't your religion follow even that?!" (It used to be simply female leaders; now it's the Sodomite "marriage" evil they claim to disagree with, but still curse the Church for "archaic beliefs" or whatnot.)

    Very distressing. I don't get it. Yes, a lot of people think I'm going to Hell for wearing a crucifix, or wearing my hair covered, or genuflecting as I pass a Church, because I don't have "faith" and charismatic experiences. Not to be cold, but their opinions about my eternal fate don't bother me. That they can't see what's right before them, that bothers me.
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    Why do so Many People Assume us Catholics Will go to Hell?
    « Reply #11 on: February 26, 2014, 11:30:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: Mama ChaCha
    I have the same problem with my family.
    I just tell them "I guess I'll see you there, since you're the judge and everything."
     They usually shut up about it after that.

    Simple minds call for simple retorts.


    Lotta wisdom right there.

    I can't admit to having much experience or success in "real life" situations directly related to Catholicism, but I can say that real life philosophical discussions (which are generally veiled discussions about Catholicism) are normally best approached by listening carefully to what someone has to say in order to determine the underlying (usually) unspoken premise they're beginning from and question that.  Questions generally are received better than assertions (of course, this is assuming that the instance does not require an assertion; I realize that some instances do) because they are very difficult for someone to interpret as accusatory-- which is just thing, discussions like this typically involve one party viewing you as "the judge" and will look for any possible way to pick up on accusatory language because they're looking for an easy way out, and it's easier to make a discussion like this personal instead of keeping it conceptual and about the forms of ideas, which is what it really should be about.  Anyways, by focusing on asking leading and challenging questions which drive at the heart of their philosophical or religious foundations, you can lead them through a demolition of sorts of their own ideas, and then offer an alternative (Catholicism) to replace what you have just caused them to doubt.  That's really the key there, is drawing your OPPONENT to question what he believes.  Simply stating that it is not true, even if you give a reason, will naturally draw up the defenses and make your task more difficult.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 27, 2014, 06:26:56 AM »
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  • I know what I saw in the lives of the NO only confirmed to me what I was taught. Saints that schools were named after were associated with girls who slept around, wore too much makeup, dressed provocatively, partied, etc. NO friends had sisters who were having abortions, mothers who had live-in boyfriends, grandmothers who were drunk from Friday night - Sunday night, their brothers got into fights.

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    « Reply #13 on: February 27, 2014, 06:28:58 AM »
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    They're parroting what they've heard all their Protestant lives.  Words won't reach them, only prayer and penance.


    What I am finding very scary about attitudes from many Protestants, They know about the antichrist, yet, each day they more closely align with the antichrist and beliefs of freemasonry.

    The temp at work claimed Catholicism is bad and freemasonry is good.


    Second Coming & Anti-Christ theme is a popular topic with Evangelicals.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 27, 2014, 06:32:55 AM »
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